Difference Between Exposure Reflex Mk 1 & Mk 2

halffattony

Anyone know if there is any difference between Mk1 & Mk 2 Reflex?

bennett_346

There is no difference, they're both shyte.

RevellRider

Care to explain why you think that? I think they are a rather innovative light.

Kowalski675

It's tha internetz - since when did anyone bother qualifying their sweeping statements with evidence or reasoned argument, lol?...

cooldad

OK, stupid prices.

halffattony

As shite as the bike in your profile pic?

supersonic

On paper they look to be exactly the same, I can only assume they have updated the programmes.

Is an astonishing amount of money though!

IDave

If you're willing to overspend on a light to that extent then why do you even care?

Just buy the Mk2 - everyone knows that 2 > 1 !

bennett_346

halffattony wrote:

As shite as the bike in your profile pic?

Yes.
No but seriously there are far better ways to waste that much money, like a casino. At least then you *may* get some of it back.

Have a look at the what lights thread, i've always been seriously impressed by chinese torches that cost £20.

halffattony

The reason I was asking, I have seen the Mk 2 for £90 off and the MK 1 for £290 with is not much more that the Toro that I was originally looking at but double the lumens, I also like that the battery in in the unit has I have had problems with the battery wire on my existing hope lights.
With regards to cheap Chinese torches & lights off of eBay, quite a few of my friends have gone down this route, having seen the I don't believe that they are as powerful as they claim to be, the beam seems to be consentrated on a small spot where they measure the amount of lumens.
My 500 lumens moon x power seems to give off much more light than my mates 1100 cheap Chinese lights, I also think these lights are over priced but on the other hand think you get what you pay for and will only but was at a discounted price.

BloggingFit

I have the MK2 and find it's an excellent light. Think as mentioned the main difference are more functions on the MK2 but to be honest I run it either full power on or off as I'm never out for longer than the 3 hour burn time on full power.

Couple of guys have ebay 5000 lumen lights and it out performs those in terms of spread and range of the beam, whereas for overall brightness it's closer.

I get these at trade prices so a bit more affordable otherwise I would have been looking more at a MAXX D.

halffattony

Are you in the trade then of can you divulge?

roverpig

If it's shyte I can't wait to try a decent light I've been rather impressed with my Mk2 Reflex. Plenty of light when I need it and more importantly where I need it. A nice broad even flood with no hot spots or bright rings. When I don't need all that light it rather cleverly turns itself down to preserve the battery. All that for less than half of what I'll spend on heating oil this winter. What's not to love

BloggingFit

halffattony wrote:

Are you in the trade then of can you divulge?

Sorry, I meant as in for myself, not to sell on...

BloggingFit

roverpig wrote:

If it's shyte I can't wait to try a decent light I've been rather impressed with my Mk2 Reflex. Plenty of light when I need it and more importantly where I need it. A nice broad even flood with no hot spots or bright rings. When I don't need all that light it rather cleverly turns itself down to preserve the battery. All that for less than half of what I'll spend on heating oil this winter. What's not to love

Do you run in P1 Mode to get the variable brightness to work? Not really tested it yet but wasn't too successful when I briefly tried.

roverpig

To be honest I've only used P1 mode so far. It seems to work pretty well. I don't really notice it getting dimmer until I've been climbing for a while and notice that it is not dazzlingly bright anymore. But as soon as I head down it is back to full power. Very neat.

BloggingFit

Not noticed it dim down yet so either I'm too quick going up or more likely the climbs are too short for it to kick in.

roverpig

It's quite subtle and your eyes adjust to changing light pretty well anyway, so it can be hard to notice. I don't really notice it dimming but find after 5-10 minutes of climbing that it doesn't seem as insanely bright as I remember.

njee20

Is an astonishing amount of money though!

The Lupine Edison 5 was more expensive 6 years years ago, let alone the Edison 10, the Betty, the Supernova P99-D etc.

Considering the brightness and the tech in the light it doesn't seem too bad to me. Sure a £20 Chinese torch is actually better though :roll:

supersonic

What has a torch got to do with it? Or those other lamps? Why not compare to other lamps of similar output?

njee20

Bennett deemed the Reflex "shyte", and recommended a £20 Chinese torch.

The other lamps was suggesting that the Reflex is hardly in a league of its own with regards to expensive lights.

Which other lamps have a similar output and comparable technology for less money (or any money actually)? I've not seen one. Serious question.

halffattony

Really only wanted to know the difference between the two, not really interested inchinese torches however good people claim them to be, just want the original question answered as my local dealer couldn't answer it and USE didn't respond to my email asking the same question.

bennett_346

halffattony wrote:

Really only wanted to know the difference between the two, not really interested inchinese torches however good people claim them to be, just want the original question answered as my local dealer couldn't answer it and USE didn't respond to my email asking the same question.

I'm not being a dick, but I rode for two years with expensive branded lights on my bike while my mate ran the cheap Chinese ones and the Chinese ones outdone them in every possible aspect. I've now got a Chinese one and rode with it on Saturday and was more than impressed. It would take some thing incredible to make me go back to branded lights now. Do not waste your money on expensive lights like i did.

cooldad

halffattony wrote:

Really only wanted to know the difference between the two, not really interested inchinese torches however good people claim them to be, just want the original question answered as my local dealer couldn't answer it and USE didn't respond to my email asking the same question.

If I was going to drop a large chunk on a light, I'd at least hope the manufacturer would respond, or the dealers would know what they're selling.

supersonic

njee20 wrote:

Bennett deemed the Reflex "shyte", and recommended a £20 Chinese torch.

The other lamps was suggesting that the Reflex is hardly in a league of its own with regards to expensive lights.

Which other lamps have a similar output and comparable technology for less money (or any money actually)? I've not seen one. Serious question.

Depends what you mean by technology, and whether you deem it to be of any use. You can pick up triple xml lights off eBay for 27 quid.

If you think the tech is worth it, go for it. I'd rather save 350 quid.

njee20

So the answer is that there isn't a comparable product, just a cheaper one?

A bit like saying there's no point buying an S-Works, because a Hardrock is virtually the same?

bennett_346

njee20 wrote:

So the answer is that there isn't a comparable product, just a cheaper one?

A bit like saying there's no point buying an S-Works, because a Hardrock is virtually the same?

What a crap analogy

The Northern Monkey

what tech can you have other than on/off?

Its a torch FFS, they all do the same thing!!

bennett_346

The Northern Monkey wrote:

what tech can you have other than on/off?

Its a torch FFS, they all do the same thing!!

It adjusts its own brightness so you don't have to go to all the trouble and effort of clicking a button on it to dim it

supersonic

njee20 wrote:

So the answer is that there isn't a comparable product, just a cheaper one?

A bit like saying there's no point buying an S-Works, because a Hardrock is virtually the same?

Adding a feature does not make a product more or less comparable, it depends so much. My fork has power bulges. Almost all other forks do not have that tech. Therefore they cannot be compared? Logical fallacy.

coblck

Speaking from experience and a man who has just bought reflex mk1 and previously owned a 5 led xml-t6 lamp from china i would in my opinion say that the reflex is worth the extra cash. The reflex has much better optics giving a far better throw of light and better depth, the 5 led lamp (rated at 5000lm) did kick out powerful light but definitely not as good a quality as the reflex.

With the reflex the on board battery is great as no external wires plus the capacity (3hrs on full) is more than enough for me plus the power remaining display shows how much juice you have left in minutes which i find brilliant were the 5 lamp china version it really depends on the battery pack ive went through 3 battery packs in a year for various reasons but mostly done to the quality of batteries.

My only gripe is the auto mode on the reflex, i thought it would be a bit smarter dimming more when required but really only use the light on prog 7 full power so not too much of an issue.

Few of my mates who all have so called CREE lamps from china all say that if they could afford it they defo would go down the reliable named light route but most of them only occasionally cycle at night so don't feel the need to.

So to sum up do i regret in buying the reflex in a word NO. Feel confident going out for a night cycle that it will be 100% reliable no matter the weather.