Bora 80 or enve 6.7
markyone
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I am in the market for some deep section wheels. Looking at bora 80 tubular and enve 6.7
Price difference about £700 to £800 more for enve.
Ribble have bora for £1600 or around that figure. Mud dock in bristol have enve for about £2400.
Any in put would be great.
Condor cycles london have bora for £2400 as I went in this week to have a look, how can they justify that price compared to the likes of ribble and wiggle.
Both sets have great hubs and bearings.
Price difference about £700 to £800 more for enve.
Ribble have bora for £1600 or around that figure. Mud dock in bristol have enve for about £2400.
Any in put would be great.
Condor cycles london have bora for £2400 as I went in this week to have a look, how can they justify that price compared to the likes of ribble and wiggle.
Both sets have great hubs and bearings.
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Condor is more expensive because they're a smaller brick and mortar store. This means more overhead and that they don't qualify for the same bulk discounts as the massive internet stores. Also, because of their location there is actually a chance that they sell them for RRP. If you don't ask...
I have other wheels for hilly rides.
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That said, I have never been in such a fortunate position to have to consider such an option (so am talking s*** really).
You will look a bit of a censored training on either, but the Boras are more obvious, beautiful as the stickers are.
Anyway, in answer to your question, I agree with the above...Enve 3.4
Arguably, Zipp and HED make the fastest toroidal rims. HED are better priced, better built and more service friendly... I am talking of the Stinger tubular ones of course... I think around £ 1600. The logos are quite big too, they have been spotted in satellite images..
They are fantastic for every day training and based on the flat sections I do, I see no reason they wouldn't be great for time trials.
Or, since you're running Campy, you can get these Reynolds 66 (braking is second to none for carbon) for an absolute steal:
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/reynolds-66-tubular-road-wheelset/rp-prod62469?_$ja=tsid:46412|cgn:Reynolds+-+Wheels|cn:Chain+Reaction-UK-PLA-PLA-All-DT-SE|kw:234701UK_Reynolds+66+Tubular+Road+Wheelset&gclid=CPevmNTXw7oCFceDQgod-l0AGQ
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At that kind of depth you want all the handling benefits you can get and if you believe the marketing 'science' then the Enve Smart design could give the best handling. Note a lot of conditional verbs in that sentence b/c I don't believe or understand what makes one 80 mm whell handle better than another 80mm wheel...
Yep, looks that way. Shame as their wheels look great. Found this on a US forum;
I've had 2 Mad Fiber clinchers replaced, and just a few weeks ago the same thing happened- my 3rd damaged wheel with the same defect- delaminated cf from the aluminum structure. This time Mad Fiber didn't respond, sadly because of the company's situation. Ultimately the reason behind their downfall is the horrible quality of the wheels. RIP Mad Fiber.
Well, you don't need to be an expert in carbon fibre composite to realise the even by just looking at their wheels... they simply don't make any sense
PS: I wonder what Wiggle is going to do with the 9 sets they still have to flog...
Hubs are DT Swiss 240S Hyb, so really good for the money. I'd ride them until they wear and then rebuild them with Alchemy ELF/ORC.
Mad Fiber has indeed filed for bankruptcy. Their issue was always with their clinchers as they ate a lot in warranty. Why anyone would buy them as a clincher is beyond me...
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Sorry markyone, that wasn't intended to sound so arsey. As good as these online deals are, independent retailers simply can't match it. It's the whole online vs high street debate. But what I've seen in cycling, someone will buy from CRC, Merlin etc then expect a local shop to be their first port of call should their be a slight issue, just because it's convinient for them. If you buy from Condor, rest assured you've got a good service for life on them wheels.
... said the man who just ordered a bespoke set of hubs worth a grand...
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hubs etc.
http://www.hedcycling.com/stinger/default.asp?content=6
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Normally HED don't bother with censored hubs. The good thing is that using J bend spokes in a crossed lacing pattern, everything can be rebuilt easily if needs be and you should not experience Zipp-like hub explosions. Also 24 holes gives you a lot more options, in case things went wrong, as opposed to 20, as used by many others. If the bearings turned out to be disappointing, an upgrade to SKF or similar would set you off a few quid only.
The carbon shell should be fine, the shells don't normally give too much grief.
The front has straight pull spokes, but front hubs generally speaking are trouble free. In essence, pound for pound I think they are the best option and the rims are top notch, on pair with Zipp, Reynolds etc...
Performance wise, I have only heard good things about HED wheels from triathletes
Going back to the bora 80 they have 18 spokes on the rear,does that mean they are not that strong?
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Well, that means that any repair out of warranty will be a headache, that's for sure. If they are stiff enough, strong enough for you, it's hard to say, I don't have experience of them.
Thing is, look how many PRO athletes doing iron man to a certain level use Campagnolo wheels... none. They all use Zipp, Hed, Reynolds, Mavic... general consensus is that those are the fast rims. HED seem to build with a bit of common sense too... They are technically hand build 20/24 but with better rims than Gigantex
as say with Reynolds grill said they are great.
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