Successful tactics to negotiate a discount on a new bike?!

Would appreciate some words of wisdom on how to achieve a discount on the list price of a new bike I want to buy at my local bike shop. I'm told that as the winter approaches, there should be some scope for movement, but I'm honestly at a loss as to how best to go about it (short of bluntly asking!). The thing is, the list bike for the particular bike I have in mind is a little bit beyond my budget, so even just £40 or £50 off would be a big help. TIA.
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The best way is just to straight out ask them, what's your best price?
2) Go home and photoshop their heads onto someone doing something bad, such as riding a micro-scooter
3) Bribe them
Or you could just ask "is there anything you can do with the price?". They should be able to take 10% off straight away if you're not going through C2W. That is how much shops have to pay when you get a bike through the various schemes.
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As has been suggested earlier just ask them what is their best price by saying something like "my budget is £xxx but the bike you have is £yyy can we do a deal?" They do need to make a profit but they should not want to lose your business to someone else. Make sure you ask the owner or the manager of the shop though as they are the ones likely to do a deal.
In Oxford if you tell someone you work for the University they will normally give 10% on bikes and 15% on accessories but that is probably because they know we are all paid peanuts.
(Could you find it cheaper online from a large/reputable dealer and then ask if they can throw in a sweetener as you want to buy locally?)
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