Banned Words
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A south London school - Harris Academy Upper Norwood - is attempting to ban its students from using certain slang words in certain areas of the school to help teach those students that they will need to use more formal language in certain situations.
Now, I can see their point: "ya get me?" is not likely to encourage a potential employer in an interview; but trying to ban certain words used in certain contexts in certain areas of a school does sound like an exercise in futility.
Also, I'm not sure what it says about the school that they have presumably already failed in teaching by more positive means such a basic premise.
Anyway, any words you'd want to ban? And hands up who had to look up 'bare' on Urban Dictionary; how out of touch are you?
Now, I can see their point: "ya get me?" is not likely to encourage a potential employer in an interview; but trying to ban certain words used in certain contexts in certain areas of a school does sound like an exercise in futility.
Also, I'm not sure what it says about the school that they have presumably already failed in teaching by more positive means such a basic premise.
Anyway, any words you'd want to ban? And hands up who had to look up 'bare' on Urban Dictionary; how out of touch are you?
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Not sure why Extra is in there? that is something I will need to look up.
Every one knows what "bare" means don't they?
I'd like to ban "Oh em gee" from everyday use."If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got."
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'Bare' has been around for bare time, bredrin, ya get me?!
Seems a reasonable idea to me, but I do wonder the extent to which localised slang like this can be regarded as a regional dialect. Would an academy in, say, Newcastle try to condition its students to suppress more overt aspects of their Geordie accents/dialects in order to fit in in the workplace? Is it right that people should be expected to adopt a received notion of acceptable English, at odds with their ingrained regional dialect, in order to gain employment?
I tend to think it is entirely reasonable that people should speak proper as to do otherwise leaves you open to prejudice, and I don't really think this type of slang is an actual regional dialect (I actually think it's largely an affectation), but there you go. Just making conversation, yeah?0 -
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Well I never. Basically that probably is a bit extra, unless bare kids don't get it, yeah.
In response to Gallywomack I don't think it's unreasonable for a school anywhere to teach it's students to conform in order to help them get on in the world. I like to think most kids would be able to work this out for themselves though.0 -
Could we do away with bans?None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0
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We had to teach a 23 year old graduate to stop using the words "like" and "awesome" in every sentence before we could send him out to Client meetings. Everytime he said those words he had to make a round of tea's / coffee's, my heart took a serious caffine beating for a couple of weeks.Fat lads take longer to stop.0
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Anyone, and I mean anyone, who sets themselves the goal of banning "like" (other than in its proper usage) and sentences beginning with "Basically" has both my admiration and pity in equal measure.
"Literally" belongs on the list. Along with "really/quite/fairly unique"; an expression used by people I would be happy to see really/quite/fairly dead. Literally.0 -
bdave262000 wrote:We had to teach a 23 year old graduate to stop using the words "like" and "awesome" in every sentence before we could send him out to Client meetings. Everytime he said those words he had to make a round of tea's / coffee's, my heart took a serious caffine beating for a couple of weeks.
When will the apostrophe usage and spelling lessons start at your firm? :twisted:0 -
Wot, still no DDD or G66?
Agree with daviesee: there's far too much of an appetite to ban anything that anyone disagrees with. Surely they could come up with a more constructive way to teach the pupils the need to use language appropriate to a given situation.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:bdave262000 wrote:We had to teach a 23 year old graduate to stop using the words "like" and "awesome" in every sentence before we could send him out to Client meetings. Everytime he said those words he had to make a round of tea's / coffee's, my heart took a serious caffine beating for a couple of weeks.
When will the apostrophe usage and spelling lessons start at your firm? :twisted:
Now your talking Partner level training innitFat lads take longer to stop.0 -
bdave262000 wrote:Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:bdave262000 wrote:We had to teach a 23 year old graduate to stop using the words "like" and "awesome" in every sentence before we could send him out to Client meetings. Everytime he said those words he had to make a round of tea's / coffee's, my heart took a serious caffine beating for a couple of weeks.
When will the apostrophe usage and spelling lessons start at your firm? :twisted:
Now your talking Partner level training innit
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And while we're at it let's ban the "Antipodean lift" or whatever it's called... You know when people give question intonation to statements...Do not write below this line. Office use only.0
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Not overly used in Sarf London I grant you, but totes, amazeballs, jel. Oh and dude, I find that really grating.0
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wtf with bare, seriously? You can hoist me for that particular sentence there but ffs they are just acronyms not a gross misuse of a perfectly acceptable word.
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Cornerblock wrote:totes, amazeballs
MASSIVE at my elder daughter's SW London school. Along with "kk".0 -
Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:Anyone, and I mean anyone, who sets themselves the goal of banning "like" (other than in its proper usage) and sentences beginning with "Basically" has both my admiration and pity in equal measure.
"Literally" belongs on the list. Along with "really/quite/fairly unique"; an expression used by people I would be happy to see really/quite/fairly dead. Literally.
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Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:Cornerblock wrote:totes, amazeballs
MASSIVE at my elder daughter's SW London school. Along with "kk".
What's kk?0 -
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I think it''s fair to teach pupils that certain language is more suited to certain environments than others, if they need a ban on certain roads to do this is debatable. I discovered a few years ago having moved to large open plan office that exclaiming 'cock' in a loud voice when spotting a bug in my code wasn't acceptable. That being said formal or acceptable language today (say at a job interview) is different from that of 20 years which is different still from 40 years ago etc etc. A 12 year today, will be going for job interview in 6 years or so and maybe interviewed by a 24 year old supervisor, who is today's 18 year old and may not have a problem with this type of language. It would be wrong to teach a child that they need to speak like wot they doz on downton, and it may well be wrong to teach them to speak like I had to when I first interviewed 25 years ago.....--
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Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:Cornerblock wrote:totes, amazeballs
MASSIVE at my elder daughter's SW London school. Along with "kk".
Not heard that from the littl'un yet, but she sometimes sounds like an extra from Oliver, and she's only been at school since September. I need a broom to sweep up all the dropped Hs and Ts. [/snob]1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I see. KKK has been shortened to KK.stu-bim wrote:
Why not go the whole hog with K?
Ok.None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
Kids have always had their own form of language (I can't remember the technical term). They appear to be trying to teach their kids by example that their is street talk and formal language, and that you need to be able to switch between the two to be understood and/or not to disadvantage themselves.
The reason I suspect this Academy is banning certain words is because they've taken over a failed school in an area with poor attainment and many of those kids probably don't have the experience outside their small bubble so they aren't learning to switch between languages.
It seems obvious to us out in jobs (possibly with a career) and from homes with some form of parenting, but I've come across people coming to interviews, cold callers or in shops that clearly don't have that second dialect known as 'proper English' and they suffer for it, and those are the ones that actually got a job of some sort.0 -
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I think it's a bit strange that an educational establishment would do this. I thought everyone knew that the sure way to get kids to use words like this is to ban them.
And I don't even have kids, FFS.Ecrasez l’infame0
