Duggan, guilty by association?

pinno
pinno Posts: 52,089
edited October 2013 in The cake stop
Which view do we take?

On the one hand, it appears that Duggan was not holding a gun and was shot. So technically he was shot in cold blood.

On the other hand, he had bought a gun, he had a criminal record and there is nothing to suggest that he would not have used it at some point.

Some would argue that the w53 over reacted and others would say that you live by the sword and die by the sword.

Whats your take?
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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    An old saying -

    Fly with the crows and get shot with the crows.

    A bit harsh but as I wasn't there I dont have the full facts and cant comment further.
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • estampida
    estampida Posts: 1,008
    live like a thug

    die like a thug

    its a thugs life....

    quite frankly there are many men the same age that are not shot by armed response (and some are scumbags)

    good riddance to bad rubbish, if the educational system and drugs policy's of this country were even remotely sensible it would never have happened........ never mind his family responsibility to raise him right

    whos fault is it now?
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    Too stories on the BBC news front page.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24536328 Plebgate honesty questioned.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24533148 Officer saw gun in hand.
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • upperoilcan
    upperoilcan Posts: 1,180
    He was no angel,sooner or later he was going to get shot wether it was by the police or some other herberts.

    His chosen path was always going to be a short one.I personally will lose no sleep over it.
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  • the playing mantis
    the playing mantis Posts: 2,129
    i agree with the sentinments expressed here.

    makes the supposed cause of the reulting riots even more BS.

    still at least we get to chant, you stupid b*st*r*s, you burnt your own town at NLD's
  • Frank the tank
    Frank the tank Posts: 6,553
    One of those situations where no matter what happened an whatever outcome there was, it was always going to be a bad result. :(
    Tail end Charlie

    The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.
  • pliptrot
    pliptrot Posts: 582
    Whenever the police are put under scrutiny they are found wanting. Every, single, time. This case smells, like so many others. A little while ago the US Government released a list of detainees in Guantanamo Bay who were "too dangerous to release" but for who the US Government had insufficient evidence to prosecute. No one even blinked. In the rush to acquiesce to the US, we are no different. What should be disturbing to readers of this thread is that the subjectivity of the police in this case follows well worn prejudices that are routinely paraded in cases where cyclists are mown down by motorists. To paraphrase someone above, fly with the red light jumpers, die with the red light jumpers.
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    pliptrot wrote:
    ...To paraphrase someone above, fly with the red light jumpers, die with the red light jumpers.
    Lesson to be learned there then. Dont RLJ.
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • the playing mantis
    the playing mantis Posts: 2,129
    pliptrot wrote:
    Whenever the police are put under scrutiny they are found wanting. Every, single, time. This case smells, like so many others. A little while ago the US Government released a list of detainees in Guantanamo Bay who were "too dangerous to release" but for who the US Government had insufficient evidence to prosecute. No one even blinked. In the rush to acquiesce to the US, we are no different. What should be disturbing to readers of this thread is that the subjectivity of the police in this case follows well worn prejudices that are routinely paraded in cases where cyclists are mown down by motorists. To paraphrase someone above, fly with the red light jumpers, die with the red light jumpers.


    bit of an extreme corruption of the original phrase imo, if all cyclists are labelled rlj's, comparitevely with comparing all people who carry guns and are gang memebers as scum who are no loss to society.

    im happy to stick with well worn prejudices of the police if it means getting scum of the streets, if a few cyclists are labelled as rljs by proxy because of the police prejudices so be it. i for one would rather that than have armed gang members wandering around.
  • pliptrot
    pliptrot Posts: 582
    the playing mantis wrote:
    im happy to stick with well worn prejudices of the police if it means getting scum of the streets
    The point of this is that those prejudices may affect you. One day, the police mistakes, stupidity and prejudice may end up in trouble for you -for anyone-, instead of the scum you hope they may remove from our streets. There are many criminals who sentient people would suggest have no right to life, but the principle behind the ban on capital punishment is that one innocent man hanged is unacceptable. Which any principled person would agree with (if only based on the evidence of past traversties). The idea that we look the other way as long as the consequences of police corruption and incompetence fall on others is alarming. One day you may be accused of something you have not done. If it ever happened you should hope that not everyone thinks like you.
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    Yep, all police are stupid, prejudiced and mistake-prone. All of them. Especially towards cyclists. All police HATE cyclists.
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  • the playing mantis
    the playing mantis Posts: 2,129
    especially those cycling policeman, eh Nap!
  • the playing mantis
    the playing mantis Posts: 2,129
    pliptrot wrote:
    the playing mantis wrote:
    im happy to stick with well worn prejudices of the police if it means getting scum of the streets
    The point of this is that those prejudices may affect you. One day, the police mistakes, stupidity and prejudice may end up in trouble for you -for anyone-, instead of the scum you hope they may remove from our streets. There are many criminals who sentient people would suggest have no right to life, but the principle behind the ban on capital punishment is that one innocent man hanged is unacceptable. Which any principled person would agree with (if only based on the evidence of past traversties). The idea that we look the other way as long as the consequences of police corruption and incompetence fall on others is alarming. One day you may be accused of something you have not done. If it ever happened you should hope that not everyone thinks like you.

    if these prejudices even exist, im happy to take my chances. even if such prejudices do exis im certian they are somehwhat more geared against things a bit more serious than rljs and cyclists in general.

    this brings to mind the bollox outcry about stop and search and indeed racial profiling at airports of potential miscreants.

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