The Big Doping Thread!
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Low octane stuff.0
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^getting in with the Lance lingo, eh0
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ddraver wrote:gpreeves wrote:
Comments below that article are hilarious!
"Why does the picture show Contador when clearly it is Froome who is using it" was my favourite!
I don't know why they bothered to develop this test - the UCI should just employ this Juan Geovany Carrazana character to weed out the dopers.0 -
"In 2005 there were 20 riders doing the racing. There were 110 of us in the gruppetto. It was easy to see who was cheating."
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frenchfighter wrote:"In 2005 there were 20 riders doing the racing. There were 110 of us in the gruppetto. It was easy to see who was cheating."
-Sandy Casar
Ooh that's interesting, FF. Do you have a link for interview/article with that quote? Would love to read it0 -
Example right now of a bio passport case raised by a sports governing body, being cleared by a nat fed. In this case, the governing body is IAAF, and the fed is the Turkish Athletics Federation.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?stor ... esktop&wjb
IAAF - and possibly WADA - will almost definitely appeal the decision with CAS
(many many ADRVs dished out to Turkish athletes over the last year+)0 -
dupe - deleteContador is the Greatest0
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It is part of an interview in issue 514 of Velo magazine. Hard copy so no link. He makes some good comments and it made me feel a little sorry for him.
He is still suffering from that crash with the stupid dog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J0pps8Wlgc) (which led to one of my favourite wins - attacks on the other side of a divider and has Madiot nearly crying). He is proper old school and makes several references to it 'I tried [using new methods of training] but I wasnt able to find the same sensations as with my 'facons a l'ancienne''. '...like this we are really in a job and we lose the notion of pleasure. The young ones manage as they havent known other ways. Me, I need to look at the countryside and profit from the nature. In fact these methods encourage you to train on the home trainer. On the road, how can you follow an exercise which asks you to stay at 400watts for 3mins? There are descents, corners...I'm too old for the home trainer with a parcours simulator.'
He makes an interesting point about doping which sounds good but I struggle to tie the two together:
'I dont know at all if I would have got as many results if there hadnt been doping. Let me explain: doping changed everything. When the leaders wanted to save energy for the next day they let breaks go and you could play your race. Today, breaks are no longer left to escape, they are controlled at 2 or 3 minutes so they can be brought back for the sprinters and to score points. In the big races, its true I was robbed, but there remained chances, and paradoxically I took more pleasure. And that was what I looked for before anything.'
On an unrelated note I like and agree here: '[talking about how he no longer recognizes cycling today] 'On a stage I'm told 'You look after Thibaut'. Ok, not a problem. You do your job and then on a climb near the finish you have an opening before you, a boulevard where you sense you have legs of fire: you can attack. If you attack you might win the stage, but in your ear the DS will tell you 'let up, wait for your leader and resume your work'. I've seen it, I've heard it. You cant take initiatives, it serves you nothing to 'feel' the race'.Contador is the Greatest0 -
As an aside, this is a big reason that teams like to use Tenerife - long, mostly straight climbs, perfect for that sort of training.frenchfighter wrote:In fact these methods encourage you to train on the home trainer. On the road, how can you follow an exercise which asks you to stay at 400watts for 3mins? There are descents, corners...I'm too old for the home trainer with a parcours simulator.'Twitter: @RichN950 -
It's funny that the Big Doping Thread is about fourteen pages shorter than any other doping thread. :?0
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the Inner Ring @inrng 4h
Last RT was snippet from L'Equipe saying the UCI & WADA are looking to add power profiles to the athlete passport so they can study changes
Matt Brammeier @Mattbrammeier85 2h
@inrng so we all get an Srm? And have it calibrated at the start if every stage? Will be interesting.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
FFS.
They'll only get any meaningful results if they have 10 years worth of proper data.
Stop looking at the output and focus on the input. It's just knee jerk stuff post Armstrong.0 -
More FFS,Me-109 wrote:It's funny that the Big Doping Thread is about fourteen pages shorter than any other doping thread. :?
It only started in October this year and then got lost until I found it again and posted here on 5th December.
So, In fact this thread is virtually less than one month old. :arrow:Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
madasahattersley wrote:A €35,000 euro fine? Just enough for him to still be able to live comfortably for the rest of his life without having to work again, I guess :evil:
And there you have it. Jealousy rears it's ugly head. You have to work for a living and he's "set for life". Or so you assume.0 -
I don't understand why people get so worked up over Di Luca. He his perhaps one of the least smartest dopers out there.
I do not see any difference between him and all those other riders who have been busted and yet are still allowed to ride.
Once you have dope and cheated it's done. It seems to me that it's more about personality.
When a rider get's caught once you do not know how long he has been doping.
A rider caught 3 times could have been doping less.
The only way is to ban them for life or let them dope.
All those people angry with Armstrong went out and bought Hamilton's book and were happy to feed a known dopers pockets.
Happy to say what a nice guy Millar his and feed his pockets because they feel he has redeemed himself.
He just like Di Luca and any other doped athlete cannot give back the race victory to the clean rider who lost out.
Saying a few nice words is not redemption it's just moving on.
Words and a salesman's smile cannot give back the moment.
I liked watching Di Luca ride and If other doped riders are left to ride and enjoy the fruits of their doping then why shouldn't he.0 -
madasahattersley wrote:dennisn wrote:madasahattersley wrote:A €35,000 euro fine? Just enough for him to still be able to live comfortably for the rest of his life without having to work again, I guess :evil:
And there you have it. Jealousy rears it's ugly head. You have to work for a living and he's "set for life". Or so you assume.
....... yeah it really gets my goat that he gets off so lightly after being the dirtiest rat out there for years.
Ease up a bit on yourself. Lifes too short to let a guy like that eat at you. Seems that you're saying that a much bigger fine, more jail time, head on a spike, is what you need so that YOU can feel better. What's all this got to do with you anyway?0 -
Here we go again. Welcome back Dennisn. :roll: :roll: :roll:0
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Richmond Racer wrote:
I think it shows that lots people will cheat simply for the recognition factor of being a winner. Feed their own ego if you will. Tell everyone they know, everything about the race(i.e. The Ironman). Hoping for praise and adulation and to be called an athlete. Add money into the mix(which I don't think is so much the case with masters racers) and this just increases the cheating as it adds more incentive for the racers to bend rules. People, of all ages, have been cheating, bending the rules, etc. to get an edge and be successful at attaining what they want, whatever it may be.0 -
First time I've seen you outside the Lance thread Dennisn, did it get deleted? :-P0
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dennisn wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:
I think it shows that lots people will cheat simply for the recognition factor of being a winner. Feed their own ego if you will. Tell everyone they know, everything about the race(i.e. The Ironman). Hoping for praise and adulation and to be called an athlete. Add money into the mix(which I don't think is so much the case with masters racers) and this just increases the cheating as it adds more incentive for the racers to bend rules. People, of all ages, have been cheating, bending the rules, etc. to get an edge and be successful at attaining what they want, whatever it may be.
Indeed. No lure of contract, either getting one or keeping one, for these guys. Just ego.0 -
Damn straight, i do a couple of bags for the local Sky rides!0
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You'd be hard pressed to find a good honest man among Danillo's contemporaries in the groupo. It turns out that even Tafi, seen off the back in tears after arguing with Pantani in the Giro, was on the gear. I have no idea what the Italian scene is like now (it's 8 years since i was last there), but cheating was widespread even among the juniores and fondista - top to bottom. It's hard to see who Di Luca really cheated in the circumstances, except himself.0
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madasahattersley wrote:dennisn wrote:What's all this got to do with you anyway?[/quote]
Because I'm fundamentally and completely against doping in all forms, and people that get away with it / get off with minimal punishment ruin the sport I love for people like me, and in the case of Di Luca gets away with earning himself millions at the expense of the careers of good honest men.
Its a forum Dennis, that means opinions other than yours. :roll:0 -
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/25561359
Article a few days old, but this conspiracy theory only just hit me... didn't Froomey have his head shaved midway through the tour?
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And Horner will get away with it again!0
