Fox Float CTD Evolution

rockmonkeysc

I'm trying to decide which version of the new Giant Trance to buy and I'm not too sure about the forks on the Trance 2.
Does the Fox CTD Float Evolution just have a compression damper with three positions? Or does it have three adjustable preset positions with a full range of adjustment?
Can I set my preference for each position or do you just get three, unadjustable settings?

RandG

Reading that makes no sense whatsoever to me.


Top of the fork, right hand side, you have three positions, C,T,D. You flick it to whatever position suits your terrain/riding.

rockmonkeysc

So its just three, factory set positions with no adjustment to suit personal riding style or preference?

lawman

RockmonkeySC wrote:

So its just three, factory set positions with no adjustment to suit personal riding style or preference?

Pretty much. Tbh what I wish Fox did with their forks is offer different factory set compression tunes, like their shocks, so light, medium or firm and you'd make your choice depending on how you ride. I like the idea of CTD and how it syncs with the shock, but it would be nice to have more tuning options.

rockmonkeysc

Well that settles that then. Cheaper Trance and spend the difference on a quality fork.

poah

the CTD adjust only has additional points for the trail setting. climb and decent are the same. The CTD evolution is a basic shock internally you can't even get it pushed.

rockmonkeysc

Why have they given it less adjustability than the old Float? I don't want three settings which are set to suit someone else, I want one setting to suit me.

tarbot18

Im in the same boat im looking at getting one next spring but was unsure about the spec on the trance 2 at £1900 with the fox gear and the trance 3 at £1500 with the sektor fork and monarch rear shock , think ill save some dosh and the 3 looks better in red anyway ;-)

supersonic

Fox thought that people struggled with turning a dial through a full range.

RandG

POAH wrote:

climb and decent are the same. .

Is this fact ? I have to admit I have never noticed any difference between the two settings.

supersonic

I think he meant comapred to the other fork, rather than comparing the settings to each other.

rockmonkeysc

Can you replace the compression damper with a properly adjustable one?
Preferably with high and low speed adjustment.

poah

RandG wrote:

POAH wrote:

climb and decent are the same. .

Is this fact ? I have to admit I have never noticed any difference between the two settings.

didn't come out very well. on the trail adjust model you can't adjust the climb or decent settings on the trail one.

poah

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Can you replace the compression damper with a properly adjustable one?
Preferably with high and low speed adjustment.

no, if you want low/high speed compression you'll need a CCDB air or a coil but really for the majority of people a platform system would be the best. I'm surprised Manitou haven't come out with a new shock with a shim stack like the ABS+ you find in their forks. There isn't a huge difference between propedal on or off on my bro in laws RP23 but you can feel it. The main issue is down to people's weight and what they are actually expecting from their compression dampening. getting a shock custom valved is almost a necessity these days

lawman

POAH wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Can you replace the compression damper with a properly adjustable one?
Preferably with high and low speed adjustment.

no, if you want low/high speed compression you'll need a CCDB air or a coil but really for the majority of people a platform system would be the best. I'm surprised Manitou haven't come out with a new shock with a shim stack like the ABS+ you find in their forks. There isn't a huge difference between propedal on or off on my bro in laws RP23 but you can feel it. The main issue is down to people's weight and what they are actually expecting from their compression dampening. getting a shock custom valved is almost a necessity these days

I think he's talking about forks, not a shock PUSH are bringing out a new damper for the Fox 34 with high/low compression adjustment, not sure it'll work in a 32 though. If you want truly adjustable compression on a fork, the BOS Deville is the only real choice off the shelf. Question is whether you really need all the adjustment, cos tbh from what I've read the new Pike is the go to fork these days and that only has the RCT3 system rather than a fully adjustable high/low setup

rockmonkeysc

At least with a rockshox fork I know I can get it tuned relatively cheap. With the Pike it is possible to fit a Lyric mission control DH damper so that coule work nicely.

Dick Scruttock

The Push compression assembly is designed only to work on Fox 34's with FIT dampers iirc.

lawman

RockmonkeySC wrote:

At least with a rockshox fork I know I can get it tuned relatively cheap. With the Pike it is possible to fit a Lyric mission control DH damper so that coule work nicely.

The thing is do you really need all the adjustment? The pike has adjustable low-speed compression for the open mode on the RCT3 adjuster, and I'd dare say the sealed charger cartridge would perform better the old mission control damper anyway. Admittedly Fox have dumbed down their adjustment a little, but in all honesty other than a low-speed compression adjustment I really can't see the need for anything else, especially on a trail bike.

rockmonkeysc

The mission control dh is basically the same damper that I have in my boxxer r2c2 and works extremely well. I do like having the low and high speed control.

supersonic

The Absolute Plus damper on the Manitou forks is excellent. This is a shimmed comprression damper - the first part of the adjustment alters the oil flow, the second preloads the shim stack. Then you have interally adjustably high speed damping too.

rockmonkeysc

I would rather stick with Fox, Rockshox or Marzocchi for better spares and tuning availability rather than less popular stuff like Manitou. Also, I know how unreliable manitou's dh fork is. Very good when it works though.

supersonic

Very few mid to short travel forks have independant high/low external adjustment mind.

poah

RockmonkeySC wrote:

I would rather stick with Fox, Rockshox or Marzocchi for better spares and tuning availability rather than less popular stuff like Manitou. Also, I know how unreliable manitou's dh fork is. Very good when it works though.

you can tune your Manitou ABS+ damper at home for peanuts and the spares are just as easy to get. try getting a 100 or 120 mm fork that has the damping adjustment of a Manitou marvel's