Dear Campag, Sometimes, you can be hard to love...

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  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    I was wondering how you snap a cassette - I have pinged teeth off sprockets before, but that was a Miche cassette. Campag stuff I'm generally pretty happy with, although I'm not a fan of Ultra Torque. The bearings just seem far too exposed and seem to wear out really quickly. And the single pivot rear brakes I find really tricky to adjust.

    Shimano stuff on the mountain bike is pretty poor, the original stuff 20 odd years ago was great but since that needed replacing maybe 6 years ago, its needed pretty frequent servicing.

    No experience of Sram...
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    BigMat wrote:
    I was wondering how you snap a cassette - I have pinged teeth off sprockets before, but that was a Miche cassette. Campag stuff I'm generally pretty happy with, although I'm not a fan of Ultra Torque. The bearings just seem far too exposed and seem to wear out really quickly. And the single pivot rear brakes I find really tricky to adjust.

    Shimano stuff on the mountain bike is pretty poor, the original stuff 20 odd years ago was great but since that needed replacing maybe 6 years ago, its needed pretty frequent servicing.

    No experience of Sram...

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  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    Fucking hell!
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,920
    Just had a thought about this: if a bit of grit got in between the sprocket and spacers before the locknut was tightened up (they're relatively high torque IIRC), then it would mean that the sprocket wasn't properly clamped, allowing a tiny amount of flex, which might then lead to the failure you had.

    Maybe.

    Don't know if that's of any help.
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    rjsterry wrote:
    Just had a thought about this: if a bit of grit got in between the sprocket and spacers before the locknut was tightened up (they're relatively high torque IIRC), then it would mean that the sprocket wasn't properly clamped, allowing a tiny amount of flex, which might then lead to the failure you had.

    Maybe.

    Don't know if that's of any help.

    Unlikely. Cassette gets throughly cleaned whenever it comes off and I always check it's on tight enough - learned that the hard way a few years ago! I think I've just had a run of bad luck. The Record 11 cassettes are pretty thin... It's back to Chorus chains/cassettes for me now.
  • cyclingprop
    cyclingprop Posts: 2,426
    The only campag I have is cufflinks.
    What do you mean you think 64cm is a big frame?
  • nigglenoo
    nigglenoo Posts: 177
    My touring bike has Campag Veloce 10 spd Ergos (Ultrashift), which are shifting an entirely Shimano 8 speed triple drive train very effectively.
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    Il Principe wrote:
    I have to admit (grudgingly) that Campag are trying my patience at the moment. In the last few months I've had a Record cassette snap and now the rear hub on my new Shamal's has developed a weird problem and needs to be warrantied. Developed play on the Raid, got home to discover cracked bearings. These were replaced only to crack again 3 miles into my first ride, leaving me with a 2 mile walk to the nearest shop (who had no bearings in stock) and then a taxi ride home.

    Thankfully my LBS have been on the case with the Campag UK guy and are sorting the warranty process for me. However I really did not expect a Campag Hub to fail so spectacularly after less than 1000 miles.

    Still, when it works it is lovely and still far better than that fugly Shimano nonsense. My 08 Chorus gruppo still runs like a dream.

    Stay away from the record and super record stuff, not sure what the pros get but my limited experiences of super record parts has been much like yours.
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  • Wheelspinner
    Wheelspinner Posts: 6,720
    Il Principe wrote:
    I have to admit (grudgingly) that Campag are trying my patience at the moment. In the last few months I've had a Record cassette snap and now the rear hub on my new Shamal's has developed a weird problem and needs to be warrantied. Developed play on the Raid, got home to discover cracked bearings. These were replaced only to crack again 3 miles into my first ride, leaving me with a 2 mile walk to the nearest shop (who had no bearings in stock) and then a taxi ride home.

    Thankfully my LBS have been on the case with the Campag UK guy and are sorting the warranty process for me. However I really did not expect a Campag Hub to fail so spectacularly after less than 1000 miles.

    Still, when it works it is lovely and still far better than that fugly Shimano nonsense. My 08 Chorus gruppo still runs like a dream.

    One cracked bearing is odd. Two means the hub is shot, and yes that is unusual for Campag. Unlucky. Must have warped the hub shell somehow, too much power as you say.. :)
    itboffin wrote:
    Stay away from the record and super record stuff, not sure what the pros get but my limited experiences of super record parts has been much like yours.

    I've done 1000s of miles on Chorus, Record and Super Record gruppos and had zero failures or problems with any of them. Not even a need to adjust anything other than for brake pad wear. Functionally they all work pretty much the same I find in shifting terms anyway.

    I had a Dura Ace 7800 setup on another bike which was also excellent shifting and reliable, but noisy. Could never get it to run anywhere near as quiet as the Campag drivetrains.
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  • mrc1
    mrc1 Posts: 852
    Il Principe wrote:
    I have to admit (grudgingly) that Campag are trying my patience at the moment. In the last few months I've had a Record cassette snap and now the rear hub on my new Shamal's has developed a weird problem and needs to be warrantied. Developed play on the Raid, got home to discover cracked bearings. These were replaced only to crack again 3 miles into my first ride, leaving me with a 2 mile walk to the nearest shop (who had no bearings in stock) and then a taxi ride home.

    Thankfully my LBS have been on the case with the Campag UK guy and are sorting the warranty process for me. However I really did not expect a Campag Hub to fail so spectacularly after less than 1000 miles.

    Still, when it works it is lovely and still far better than that fugly Shimano nonsense. My 08 Chorus gruppo still runs like a dream.

    Weird but at least that helps comfort my coffee shop fettling ego for failing to sort it!
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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    Talking of Miche cassette I tried one of the primato which basically just fell apart in a few months then rusted
    http://www.miche.it/en/catalogo/catalog ... to-10-ca-2

    however I see they have another model about half the weight and black mmmm black, has anyone used one of these?
    http://www.miche.it/en/catalogo/catalog ... e-10v-ca-2
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    itboffin wrote:
    however I see they have another model about half the weight and black mmmm black, has anyone used one of these?
    http://www.miche.it/en/catalogo/catalog ... e-10v-ca-2

    Supertype = NOT cheap!
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  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    itboffin wrote:
    I tried one of the primato which basically just fell apart in a few months

    I see they have another model about half the weight

    I can't find my crystal ball right now, but I'm to go out on a limb and say the other model won't last long.
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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    Rolf F wrote:
    itboffin wrote:
    however I see they have another model about half the weight and black mmmm black, has anyone used one of these?
    http://www.miche.it/en/catalogo/catalog ... e-10v-ca-2

    Supertype = NOT cheap!

    a lot cheaper than super record but i cant find anyone sell 10 speed version, so i guess that idea is dead in the water.
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    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    I think Miche hubs / wheels are quite good, and maybe their FGSS stuff, but I wouldn't touch their cassettes / chainrings / chains with a bargepole.
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