Colnago Master with Carbon rear stays

Velonutter

Have a look at this Lads: -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321204099723

I wasn't aware that Colnago made a Master with Steel Gilco Tubing and carbon rear stays.

The seller replied back to me with the following: -

Hi there - thanks for the question - the frame is produced by Colnago Contemporarily, -probably 8-10 years old, -was bought 2nd hand 4 years ago so not able to elaborate on the bikes history further back unfortunately.

I can say that with the rear stays - the bike is nice and light and gets a lot of attention on the road!

The frame seems genuine, but I'm not sure if someone has spliced some carbon into it, can anyone elaborate?

verylonglegs

Do the olympic rings mean anything as to a possible clue? Is that a usual feature?

Monty Dog

Before they re-introduced the Master X-Lite, that was the only steel frame Colnago produced for a few years, B Stay was introduced in 2003. I probably have the Colnago catalogue of that era.

Velonutter

Monty Dog wrote:

Before they re-introduced the Master X-Lite, that was the only steel frame Colnago produced for a few years, B Stay was introduced in 2003. I probably have the Colnago catalogue of that era.

Cheers Monty, I'm quite interested in this frame as a Winter frame to replace my current Steed, so if you can find out anything then I would be most interested thanks.

Velonutter

verylonglegs wrote:

Do the olympic rings mean anything as to a possible clue? Is that a usual feature?

Good Point, hadn't thought of that and with Monty's post, perhaps this was a 2004 Frame?

Monty Dog

Paolo Bettini won the 2004 Olympic RR - I believe he was riding a Time or Specialized frame though. Last men's Olympic RR champ on a Colnago...Casartelli in 1992.

napoleond

It was actually called the Colnago Master Carbon. Original eh?

Some info on one here-

http://velospace.org/node/16470

Velonutter

Thanks Lads for your help, any idea how they rode?

Monty Dog

If it's anything like my CT1 of that era, absolutely sublime - just fantastic for all day cruising and won't let broken surfaces upset it's handling. I reckon that the way the bike handles has got me out of scrapes / near misses that other performance frames would have seen me in trouble - mainly due to going too fast on wet descents and having to take avoiding action to avoid going over the barriers! I was descending in the Ardennes in horrible conditions and the guy behind me made some strange wimpering noises as he thought I was a goner as I headed towards the Armco! I was simply able to straighten-up, scrub the speed-off and then re-set myself for the corner.

Velonutter

Love that Monty, I know what you mean about handling, all of my Colnago's are beautiful on that front, I do have a particular soft spot for my Master Piu, I just love riding it.

I know it sacrilege but that frame with some of the latest raceguards on would be perfect as a winter steed, I don't ride when its raining or the temps are very cold, so it would meet my requirements perfectly. :-) 8)

rolf_f

Serious question - why would you put carbon stays on a steel frame? Surely they aren't needed. Every other bike I've heard of with carbon stays has been alloy - or was there a short lived trend for this combination?

Velonutter

I agree Rolf, but as Monty indicated they stiffened it up a little and a small weight saving.

Coach H

If you pop over to thewashinmachinepost, Brian Palmer has a Master with carbon stays.

I think he got his as a custom build if I remeber correctly from his blog. but I am sure he will be able to elaborate if contacted.

Velonutter

Coach H wrote:

If you pop over to thewashinmachinepost, Brian Palmer has a Master with carbon stays.

I think he got his as a custom build if I remeber correctly from his blog. but I am sure he will be able to elaborate if contacted.

Thanks, spent some time trying to find the info on his site but can't see it (Probably blind) can you let me have a link?

Thanks

Coach H

Velonutter wrote:

Coach H wrote:

If you pop over to thewashinmachinepost, Brian Palmer has a Master with carbon stays.

I think he got his as a custom build if I remeber correctly from his blog. but I am sure he will be able to elaborate if contacted.

Thanks, spent some time trying to find the info on his site but can't see it (Probably blind) can you let me have a link?

Thanks

Don't think (and cannot find) Brian has done a specific review of this bike as it is his own. I can say it is Molteni Orange and is shown on this page - http://www.thewashingmachinepost.net/br ... eview.html
You may have to contact him directly

slam that stem

Quick run down:

Master was also Master Olympic back in the early 90s then they dropped the Olympic from the name.

In the 2000s Colnago started to play with the configuration in very practical ways:

First thing the did was put on a carbon 1" fork b/c they had the Star and Force models for the C40 and Dream and thought updating the steel bike would improve the ride and modernize the frame.

The next part to go carbon were the seatstays. The B Stay was used on several frames already - Dream, C40, CT1, Cristallo or E1 etc so was a no-brainer to glue and bolt onto the Master.

Last step, and maybe a step too far was to enlarge the HT to 1.125" and add carbon chainstays. They were not the diamond stays like on the C50 but simple straight ones.

Then one year shortly thereafter, they had a change of heart and the whole thing reverted to all steel, including the old Prescia fork and the HT also reverted to 1". It has remained so since.

I have all the historical catalogues so if anyone needs dates of the above changes I can scan the pix for you.

ugo.santalucia

A friend has it since 2006, he loves it and he's done Roubaix 3 times on it

Velonutter

Brilliant thanks Lads for all the info, I'm going to bid on it but not to the extent that the seller wants.

Velonutter

Got it at a bargain price, lets hope when it arrives tomorrow that it is as good as he stated.

housemunkey

Velonutter wrote:

Got it at a bargain price, lets hope when it arrives tomorrow that it is as good as he stated.

Gggrrrrr and it's my size as well, gutted I didn't have the funds to try and trump you :twisted:

I think your use of the word bargain are a little bit of an understatement. Can't wait to see it all built up 8)

Velonutter

HouseMunkey wrote:

Velonutter wrote:

Got it at a bargain price, lets hope when it arrives tomorrow that it is as good as he stated.

Gggrrrrr and it's my size as well, gutted I didn't have the funds to try and trump you :twisted:

I think your use of the word bargain are a little bit of an understatement. Can't wait to see it all built up 8)

:oops: :oops: Ooops Yep the seller wanted £900 which I thought was too much especially since I bought my Saroni Red Master for 630€

I'm really not sure how much it is worth as I've never seen one for sale before, not really worried either

It should arrive today, I'm not expecting it be perfect and will eventually get it resprayed, but I will build it up to use as my Winter nice dry day steed, I will fit some of the full SKS Long Raceguards just in case the weather turns when I'm out, I'll fit some old innertube to the stays to protect the carbon, just need to find or build some nice wheels to go with it.

As with all my bikes, it will be built to ride not look at, so I have a spare Record 11s Groupset that will get fitted that came off my Cervelo, will post pictures when it is built.