Campag Veloce - 13-29 - derailleur
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Assuming it is all current spec then yes. The old mechs were supposed to not handle the 13-29 though do on my Ribble. The new ones can run the new 12-30 cassettes (which I would favour over the 13-29 - more for the 12 than the 30!). You can d/l the spec docs online if you want Campags word on it.Faster than a tent.......0
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It would be useful to know the size of your rear mech before choosing your cassette. Is it short or medium cage?
The short cage has a capacity of 32 teeth which you will be maxing out if you go for the 13-29 cassette.
I have Veloce with the medium cage which has a capacity of 37 teeth. As a result, I'm able to run the Centaur 12-30 cassette without any problems. The short cage cant handle the 12-30 cassette.0 -
Yes - I had exactly the same set up when I got my Wilier and got the shop to change from 11-25 to 13-29 - no problems.0
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Rolf F wrote:ANOpax wrote:The short cage cant handle the 12-30 cassette.
You probably need to let Campagnolo know this so they can change their tech spec documents.
Oh really? It's their tech spec documents which say it can't.
http://www.campagnolo.com/repository/documenti/en/CAMBIO_UK_10_12.pdf
Bloody smartarse :roll:0 -
It works
I have 2011 Veloce and currently run 13-29. It might require an extra chain link or two but it works without much incident. Slight adjustment of b limit screw was all I needed to do.0 -
The tech docs say it will work but it is on the limit of the mechs capasity.http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.0
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ANOpax wrote:Rolf F wrote:ANOpax wrote:The short cage cant handle the 12-30 cassette.
You probably need to let Campagnolo know this so they can change their tech spec documents.
Oh really? It's their tech spec documents which say it can't.
http://www.campagnolo.com/repository/documenti/en/CAMBIO_UK_10_12.pdf
Bloody smartarse :roll:
Or you could just be a bit more polite. If you are going to contradict someone in a thread, maybe it would have helped if you'd posted your evidence in the first place. I followed the fitting instructions - that clearly says that all current 10 speed sprocket sets can be used with the short cage mech -
- http://www.campagnolo.com/jsp/en/groups ... atid_2.jsp. - second link under documents, page 20.Recommended Combinations - Double crankset (52-39 or 53-39) or CT crankset (50-34) + short cage rear derailleur: all 10s Campagnolo sprocket sets
Obviously, given the document you posted there is some predictable Italian inconsistency - if you'd posted it before, that would have been clearer and you wouldn't have had to be such a muppet. Besides, as I also said originally, what Campag say is the limit isn't necessarily actually the limit - hence the large numbers of folk happily using the 13-29 cassette with Ultrashift 10 speed short cage rear mechs despite Campag saying it can't be done.Faster than a tent.......0 -
Rolf F wrote:ANOpax wrote:Rolf F wrote:ANOpax wrote:The short cage cant handle the 12-30 cassette.
You probably need to let Campagnolo know this so they can change their tech spec documents.
Oh really? It's their tech spec documents which say it can't.
http://www.campagnolo.com/repository/documenti/en/CAMBIO_UK_10_12.pdf
Bloody smartarse :roll:
Or you could just be a bit more polite. If you are going to contradict someone in a thread, maybe it would have helped if you'd posted your evidence in the first place. I followed the fitting instructions - that clearly says that all current 10 speed sprocket sets can be used with the short cage mech -
- http://www.campagnolo.com/jsp/en/groups ... atid_2.jsp. - second link under documents, page 20.Recommended Combinations - Double crankset (52-39 or 53-39) or CT crankset (50-34) + short cage rear derailleur: all 10s Campagnolo sprocket sets
Obviously, given the document you posted there is some predictable Italian inconsistency - if you'd posted it before, that would have been clearer and you wouldn't have had to be such a muppet. Besides, as I also said originally, what Campag say is the limit isn't necessarily actually the limit - hence the large numbers of folk happily using the 13-29 cassette with Ultrashift 10 speed short cage rear mechs despite Campag saying it can't be done.
Rolf, it was you who contradicted me in the first place with your impolite smartarse comment. As a result, it's you who comes across as the muppet. And you would do well to follow your own advice to me about publishing the link to my reference document as you did no such thing. The document you have subsequently referred to is dated 2009 and predates the introduction of the 12-30 10sp cassette which is why it appears to contradict the 2012 tech spec document.
For the avoidance of doubt, the short cage RD mechs can use all the current 10sp cassettes (inc. the 12-30) but only if you're using a conventional crank. The OP is using a compact crank which rules out the 12-30 cassette for the short cage mech. Where does Campy say that you can't use the 13-29 cassette with a short cage RD? - their tech literature suggests (2012 edition as referred to by me earlier in the thread) otherwise.
Please get your facts straight before calling people muppets and starting flame wars.
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ANOpax wrote:Rolf, it was you who contradicted me in the first place with your impolite smartarse comment. As a result, it's you who comes across as the muppet. And you would do well to follow your own advice to me about publishing the link to my reference document as you did no such thing. The document you have subsequently referred to is dated 2009 and predates the introduction of the 12-30 10sp cassette which is why it appears to contradict the 2012 tech spec document.
For the avoidance of doubt, the short cage RD mechs can use all the current 10sp cassettes (inc. the 12-30) but only if you're using a conventional crank. The OP is using a compact crank which rules out the 12-30 cassette for the short cage mech. Where does Campy say that you can't use the 13-29 cassette with a short cage RD? - their tech literature suggests (2012 edition as referred to by me earlier in the thread) otherwise.
Please get your facts straight before calling people muppets and starting flame wars.
Bloody smartarse :roll:
Oh dear, you are determined not to make friends aren't you?!
FWIW, I posted the first reply in this thread - and you then contradicted me. The document I linked to is the current document (as you can tell from the page it is on) - it hasn't changed since 2010 because the design of the mech hasn't changed. Of course, your point that the recent release of the 12-30 makes that document out of date is a good one. It's just a shame that you didn't choose to reply to my tongue in cheek post in the same vein and point out that I was actually correct - you do need to let Campagnolo know so that they can update their tech documents. That would have been funnier than the insults.
There was a design change of the rear mechs in 2009/10. That was when the range was increased to cope with eg the 13-29 and the earlier docs reflect that. But of course, you can read all the manuals and tech specs in all the world but it doesn't mean that they are right. 13-29 can work with the older short cages and so I won't be at all surprised if someone posts here with a successful installation of a 12-30 with the new short cage mechs.
Welcome to the forum.Faster than a tent.......0 -
Look Rolfie,
You made a joke.
It would've been funny if you were right.
You weren't.
So the joke is on you.
There's no need for you to go round calling people muppets to distract attention from your screw-up.
Let's leave it there shall we?0 -
I'm trying to be friendly Anopaxie!
But I'll agree not to call you a muppet if you agree not to keep calling me a smartarse; be fair, you did start it with the insults. You should try to be nicer - it will do wonders for your blood pressure!Faster than a tent.......0 -
Fair enough. No more smartarse comments from now on
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Right, now that handbags have been put away, I'll just thank all those who contributed and get on fitting my new cassette
It's just a hill. Get over it.0
