'best wheels'

johnnymcg259
johnnymcg259 Posts: 569
edited August 2013 in Road buying advice
Ok, I'm probably looking at having to get a new pair of 'best hoops'. My current Dura Ace carbon c24/1380's look to be beyond repair due to lack of available parts i.e. read 'discontinued'. :(
Have had various d/ace wheels since about 2006 and have found them very good but getting an itch to try something else! Maybe up to £600 but have to be a 'do it all' type wheel i.e. not some carbon race day only wheels.

Opinions and advice on what to consider and what to avoid welcome!

Ta, J

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  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    johnnymcg259 wrote:
    what to avoid welcome!

    Shimano factory builds
    I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    Mavic Factory Builds too
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Since you like Dura ace why not Dura ace 9000 hub in 24F/28R or 28F/32R drllings on H Plus Son Archetype rims or DT Swiss RR440's or similar.

    That would be a very nice build. Factory wheels from fulcrum or campag would work too.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • bigdaveskinnytyre
    bigdaveskinnytyre Posts: 218
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    Since you like Dura ace why not Dura ace 9000 hub in 24F/28R or 28F/32R drllings on H Plus Son Archetype rims or DT Swiss RR440's or similar.

    That would be a very nice build. Factory wheels from fulcrum or campag would work too.

    I'm considering pretty much this setup, what are your thoughts on radial lacing on the Dura Ace front hub? I've looked for Shimano's tech docs but they haven't released one for the 9000 hubs yet.
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,337
    bigdaveskinnytyre wrote:
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    Since you like Dura ace why not Dura ace 9000 hub in 24F/28R or 28F/32R drllings on H Plus Son Archetype rims or DT Swiss RR440's or similar.

    That would be a very nice build. Factory wheels from fulcrum or campag would work too.

    I'm considering pretty much this setup, what are your thoughts on radial lacing on the Dura Ace front hub? I've looked for Shimano's tech docs but they haven't released one for the 9000 hubs yet.

    I would assume they are OK with lacing radial the 20 and 24 H front hubs.. if they are not, you can take a punt anyway... worst for worst you are risking 100 quid worth of hub... there are worse risks one can take in life
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  • bigdaveskinnytyre
    bigdaveskinnytyre Posts: 218
    Thanks for that, a bit more searching and i found that the 7900 fronts are approved by shimano for radial lacing in 24 and 28. I can't see them changing that for 9000. Could be a goer to replace my Ksyriums :D
    Nil Points
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,337
    bigdaveskinnytyre wrote:
    Thanks for that, a bit more searching and i found that the 7900 fronts are approved by shimano for radial lacing in 24 and 28. I can't see them changing that for 9000. Could be a goer to replace my Ksyriums :D

    Indeed... they are nice hubs. Monday I have serviced a set I had built back in December... the guy does quite a lot of miles... after 5000 the hubs were perfect, no sign of crap inside the cones, grease still as clean as when new. Service (load adjustment) is also a lot easier than in lower end models like 105 and Ultegra 6700
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  • Bar Shaker
    Bar Shaker Posts: 2,313
    smidsy wrote:
    Mavic Factory Builds too

    Ridiculous comment.
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  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    SloppySchleckonds wrote:
    johnnymcg259 wrote:
    what to avoid welcome!

    Shimano factory builds

    Where as this is perfectly OK :?
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • spankwilder
    spankwilder Posts: 169
    Most factory builds are finished by hand? How is that different to a fully hand built wheel? I'm guessing price is likely one
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,337
    spankwilder wrote:
    Most factory builds are finished by hand? How is that different to a fully hand built wheel? I'm guessing price is likely one

    On the lowest end of the market, the prices are unbeatable, especially when the prices are further reduced... on the upper end of the market the prices are outrageous... 2K for a set of Zipp? The hubs are not even good!! :shock:
    A factory wheel as such is like a McDonalds burger: you have no idea where the parts come from and how to source them... they come assembled and if the meat is not cooked, you can't just stick it on the grill for another 2 minutes, you have to bin the all thing and get another one... :( as every single part is designed to fit only with the remaining and you can't buy individual parts for the most.
    That's not just wheels... the trend of components that cannot be taken apart is increasing: one used to be able to fix a Campagnolo shifter (Ergo lever), while the latest have virtually no spares available.
    Interestingly this trend for disposable components seems to hit predominantly the road cycling market... we must be the muppets of the bicycle world
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  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    smidsy wrote:
    SloppySchleckonds wrote:
    johnnymcg259 wrote:
    what to avoid welcome!

    Shimano factory builds

    Where as this is perfectly OK :?

    Mavic 'The company is noted as a manufacturer of bicycle wheels'
    Shimano 'The company is noted as a manufacturer of fishing tackle, rowing equipment & cycling components. It produced golf supplies until 2005 and snowboarding gear until 2008'
    I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    SloppySchleckonds wrote:
    Mavic 'The company is noted as a manufacturer of over priced, poorly constructed bicycle wheels that are either costly or impossible to repair'

    FTFY :mrgreen:
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    :lol::lol::lol:
    I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles
  • jamiemilbourn
    jamiemilbourn Posts: 62
    I have the dura ace hubs on archetype rims 28/24 config - built by a wheel builder on this thread (about to build me another set) - They are a great combo and bomb proof!

    I would recomend them.
  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    jamiemilbourn wrote:
    They are a great combo and bomb proof!

    But are the seals grime & waterproof
    I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    SloppySchleckonds wrote:
    jamiemilbourn wrote:
    They are a great combo and bomb proof!

    But are the seals grime & waterproof

    Not sure you have grasped the 'best' bit. They will never see rain and will be polished to within an inch of their life :mrgreen:
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • jamiemilbourn
    jamiemilbourn Posts: 62
    Well they have been out in torrential rain, freezing fog, baking sun and hosed down regularly by myself for cleaning.

    They have survived everything I have thrown at them including a spot of racing and crashing. Still true, still going.

    The brake track is becoming silver - I should probably stop using the brakes so much.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    24H DA hubs are fine for radial. I have checked. I also have the first uk stock of the 24H RR440 rims. Months of asking madison to bring them in has paid of.

    The RR440 is lighter (450g) than the archetye (480g) while still being widish. The RR440 is better made rim than the A23 which is the same weight but it quite expensive.

    Both the archetype and the RR440 have there place and are excellent the rr440 is not well proven -yet it is new though.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.

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