Winter bike Project

Calpol

Here is my old bike. Bought in 1998 and seldom used. Probably less than 1000 miles. This poor thing was parked in my garage and neglected for years until I rekindled my passion for cycling 3 years ago. Me being me needed a better bike so I bought a Wilier and relegated this to turbo duties

Peugeot Richard Virenque
Reynolds 553 steel frame
52-39 Chainrings
Shimano RSX100 shifters and rear mech




I now fancy renovating this vs buying a dedicated winter bike. I am prepared to spend a few quid on it and I need to do that as its not as comfortable as my Wilier. I think the TT is slightly too long for me so a shorter stem is probably in order. I may even strip and repaint it.

I have a set of campag Fulcrum 5 I would ideally like to use on this bike as the current wheels are a bit rubbish and rear out of true.

My questions relate to the extent of work I will need to do in order to get Campagnolo 10 speed running on this.

I think the rear drop out gap is 130mm so I am hoping I can fit the Fulcrum 5s.
Do you think I will need new Chain rings to run 10 speed - that is will the chain be too narrow.
Will probably look to pick up some Veloce shifters, mechs if thats feasible.

Any thoughts?
Also does anyone know of a fabricator etc that would shot blast it and repaint - Bedfordshire area.

pinno

Once you have chucked some crudcatchers on it and it is going to be a winter trainer, is it worth re-painting?

I had a Battaglin with 130mm drop outs and just fitted 8 speed campag, so I think the 130mm is going to be a pinch. Reynolds 553 is 'softish' so possible.
TA chainrings are going to be decent substitute at a reasonably low price - especially for the traditional pattern chainset.
Of course its not going to be as comfortable as the Willier. Try 23mm front and 25mm rear tyres with latex inner tubes to soften the ride. Maybe a carbon seatpost. Cinelli cork gel tape - its not very chunky and looks just like any other tape.
SKS 'racebalde long' are ideal crudcatchers.
Have a look at the lights thread:

viewtopic.php?f=40013&t=12936635&p=18487688#p18487606

My concern would be the set up. The sizing of your Willier needs to match the sizing of the winter machine. Go and measure:
Centre to centre - handlebars to top of seat pin.
Top of seat pin to middle of BB. etc etc
Are the crank arms the same length?

Although the frame sizes of my two bikes are different, all the distances between saddle, saddle angle, saddle to bb, etc etc are the same.
Click on Brazillian Hockey team, you''ll see.

Calpol

pinarello001 wrote:

Once you have chucked some crudcatchers on it and it is going to be a winter trainer, is it worth re-painting?

I had a Battaglin with 130mm drop outs and just fitted 8 speed campag, so I think the 130mm is going to be a pinch. Reynolds 553 is 'softish' so possible.
TA chainrings are going to be decent substitute at a reasonably low price - especially for the traditional pattern chainset.
Of course its not going to be as comfortable as the Willier. Try 23mm front and 25mm rear tyres with latex inner tubes to soften the ride. Maybe a carbon seatpost. Cinelli cork gel tape - its not very chunky and looks just like any other tape.
SKS 'racebalde long' are ideal crudcatchers.
Have a look at the lights thread:

viewtopic.php?f=40013&t=12936635&p=18487688#p18487606

My concern would be the set up. The sizing of your Willier needs to match the sizing of the winter machine. Go and measure:
Centre to centre - handlebars to top of seat pin.
Top of seat pin to middle of BB. etc etc
Are the crank arms the same length?

Although the frame sizes of my two bikes are different, all the distances between saddle, saddle angle, saddle to bb, etc etc are the same.
Click on Brazillian Hockey team, you''ll see.

Cheers for the reply. Good advice on sizing. I will do some measuring.

TA Chainrings?
Already have 25mm on the Fulcrums.
If I can get it repainted for £70 then its worth it to me.

Nice Wilier btw

Yossie

As per our learned friend Pina get the sizing as close as possible to your good bike - if necessary buy stuff in the sales but spend no more than £30 (I can't actually think of anything you'll need apart from decent brake blocks and tyres to tell the truth). Then ride the thing to death.

It's a perfect winter bike. Get a huuuge can of WD or GT85, spray it all over the bike until its empty then leave it - clean chain and sprockets once a week with Jizer and re lube with wet lube and sorted - its get shitty and =dirty and grimy but who cares.

It rocks as it is.

If you really want a winter bike I could do you a deal on something thats sitting in the Yossie garage but you've got a perfect winter trainer there.

I don't think that Campy 10 speed/modern wheels will fit unfortunately, although I am willing for someone to prove me wrong.

I also have various shorter quill stems I can doyou a deal on if you want.

Calpol

Thanks Yossie. Going to give it some thought and see if Campagnolo 10 is possible. I may well come back to you about raiding your spares inventory also. appreciate the comment.

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If the rear drop outs are 130mm then 10 (or even 11!) speed will fit. However if you are building on a budget I would go for 8 or 9 speed, usually easier to pick up cheap secondhand or NOS 8/9 speed cassettes, shifters etc on Ebay.

Calpol

Might be slight change of plan. Turns out my brother in law would quite like to have the old Peugeot to do some road riding so I might be gifting it to him for a while which leaves me with a dilemma.

option 1 - try to cobble together a build as a second bike via Ebay and the classifieds etc

option 2 - continue to ride the Wilier through the winter and treat myself to a new bike in the spring

Decisions!

pinno

Calpol wrote:

Might be slight change of plan. Turns out my brother in law would quite like to have the old Peugeot to do some road riding so I might be gifting it to him for a while which leaves me with a dilemma.

option 1 - try to cobble together a build as a second bike via Ebay and the classifieds etc

option 2 - continue to ride the Wilier through the winter and treat myself to a new bike in the spring

Decisions!

After all that 'learned' advice - you are going to give it away :roll:

Calpol

pinarello001 wrote:

Calpol wrote:

Might be slight change of plan. Turns out my brother in law would quite like to have the old Peugeot to do some road riding so I might be gifting it to him for a while which leaves me with a dilemma.

option 1 - try to cobble together a build as a second bike via Ebay and the classifieds etc

option 2 - continue to ride the Wilier through the winter and treat myself to a new bike in the spring

Decisions!

After all that 'learned' advice - you are going to give it away :roll:

I know!
i don't see him very often and he was saying how much he would like a road bike but couldn't afford to buy one at present so I felt compelled to offer it to him. what can I say - I am all heart. Unfortunately he is about the same size as I am so it will probably fit! the worst of it is that I had bought some SPD -SL pedals to go on it already.

It does however clear the path to a second road bike rather than hearing the Mrs say "why do you need 3 bikes?".

Yossie

I would suggest that unles you have a boig box of spare sin the garage cobbling something together costs a blimmin fortune.

if you're going down this route either go and buy something in the sales with millions off or something bottom of the range and upgrade as parts wear out.

I bought an OCR4 (bottom of the bottom) about 8 years ago - as bits broke I upgraded them with spares from the big box - it started out as 7 speed Tiagra and ended up 10 speed Ultegra with Kyserium Elite wheels, some spare old carbon forks and post and an absolute joy to ride. £260 initial purchase cost, probably £15 for an Octalink B/B for the conversion to the Ultegra cranks after about 6 months of ownership and some new cables.

I would also suggest not buying second hand - its for sale for a reason and by the time you've changed all the worn out parts it'll have cost you a fortune.

Keep the Peugeot - it rocks and is cool. That's why brother in law wants it. He can sod off and buy his own bike.

pinno

Yossie wrote:

Keep the Peugeot - it rocks and is cool. That's why brother in law wants it. He can sod off and buy his own bike.

Thats 'learned' talk.

Yossie

That's because I have a classical education and went to Sandhurst my learned friend.

I can blow things up in an awfully posh way

Calpol

Well despite Yossie's learned advice the old girl had he astride he for the last time last night. I shamefully haven't ridden this bike very much since I got the carbon Wilier. I had forgotten what it feels like to ride and there are elements of it I really like. Its hard to articulate the difference between steel and plastic but

1. Its quieter? Just seems more refined and with more immediacy
2. Modern integrated headsets and carbon forks are superior
3. it doesnt feel appreciably slower

Took it out for a quick spin up a local climb and to my surprise the 39-25 was ok. I must have got a lot fitter because one of the reasons I relegated this bike was the double chainset. Its got me thinking that I might go back to a double now. Anyway my brother in law is made up and I am now puzzling over what to do for my winter bike.

The latest thinking is to buy a frame and transfer everything off the Wilier and then maybe buy a new groupset for the wilier in spring if work delivers any bonus. The thing is I can't help but want nice things so I don't think I will buy a hack frame.

Options currently being evaluated are

1. FM029 from Dengfu custom painted in a lairy red/orange



2. Kinesis Aithein - I am really taken by alloy/steel options again


3. Cannondale Caad 10 - hard to find a 2nd hand frame and new also scarce

All of these options are in the £400 - £600 bracket. I don't know much about any other steel or alloy options so if anyone else has any ideas I am open to them.

arlowood

For steel the Genesis Equilibrium should be on your short list

http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/fra ... quilibrium

Just under £500 for frame + forks but you might be able to source it cheaper.

Also Paul Milnes Ebay shop has several alloy frames on offer from Merida, Forme and Tifosi

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Paul-Milnes-Cy ... 581&_pgn=1

I built up a bike around the Forme Longcliffe frame intending it for winter use only but I liked it so much that I have since sold off my Trek Madone and will ride this bike year round, fitting full guards for the winter