Kittel not blood doping
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From Cyclingnews yesterday
CAS rules UV light blood treatments in Germany were not doping
Kittel identified himself as having undergone treatments in 2007 and 2008
He received more good news the day after winning the closing Tour de France stage on the Champs Elysees, as the Court of Arbitraiton for Sport ruled that the black light blood treatments he and other athletes underwent in 2007 and 2008 could not be considered doping.
The German National Anti Doping Agency had opened proceedings against an unnamed cyclist, charging that the treatments were blood doping. The German sports court ruled last fall that the method of removing blood, treating it with ultraviolet light and then re-infusing it, did not violate rules in effect at the time, as it has been specifically banned only since January, 2012. The NADA took that decision to the CAS.
What's this all about then.
From Cyclingnews yesterday
CAS rules UV light blood treatments in Germany were not doping
Kittel identified himself as having undergone treatments in 2007 and 2008
He received more good news the day after winning the closing Tour de France stage on the Champs Elysees, as the Court of Arbitraiton for Sport ruled that the black light blood treatments he and other athletes underwent in 2007 and 2008 could not be considered doping.
The German National Anti Doping Agency had opened proceedings against an unnamed cyclist, charging that the treatments were blood doping. The German sports court ruled last fall that the method of removing blood, treating it with ultraviolet light and then re-infusing it, did not violate rules in effect at the time, as it has been specifically banned only since January, 2012. The NADA took that decision to the CAS.
What's this all about then.
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It's old news. The following summarises it well;
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11017 ... -2011.aspx0 -
You don't transfuse blood for no reason. It's a potentially dangerous medical procedure, not reki or homeopathy.
Kittel expected the process to have a positive effect on performance.
Apparently Kittel takes a scrict anti-d0p1ng stance*. I say bolleaux. Just cos it failed doesn't mean the intent wasn't there.
*http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kittel-sick-of-armstrong-supporters0 -
how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0
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ddraver wrote:Sounds a bit like a "WADA DO NOT BAN HOMEOPATHY OR RAKI HEALING" to me....
See no evil hear no evil eh?0 -
Because a) it's done in small amounts and b) it's taken out and put back in very soon after - no storage.gsk82 wrote:how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness
It's new age clap trap - there's no actual gains to be made from it. Kittel is guilty of nothing more than gullibilityTwitter: @RichN950 -
gsk82 wrote:how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness
Because blood doping for performance enhancement is extracting ALOT of blood, removing all the superfluous non oxygen carrying bits then reinjecting it days/weeks/months later when your red blood cells are naturally depleted due to racing
This (according to the report) is removing a small bit of blood, putting it under UV light FOR A FEW MINUTES! to kill an infection then reinfusing,it in the belief that it will kill the rest of the inection. I.E, Remove a glass full of water from a stagnant swamp, sterilise it, then throw the class back in and declare the whole swamp is safe to drink. Bull...sh1t.
Edit - beaten by lightning RichWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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gsk82 wrote:how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness
We'll we not talking blood bags here. We're talking a few cl.
It's a practice that has bugger all scientific foundation and is probably about as effective as a go faster stripe on a 1980s Ford Cortina.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:gsk82 wrote:how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness
We'll we not talking blood bags here. We're talking a few cl.
It's a practice that has bugger all scientific foundation and is probably about as effective as a go faster stripe on a 1980s Ford Cortina.
It was done with intent. Re-injecting blood carries a risk, even if it's not a full bag.
The fact it has no scientific foundation, or effectiveness is not relevant.
His anti doping stance is hypocritical.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Because a) it's done in small amounts and b) it's taken out and put back in very soon after - no storage.gsk82 wrote:how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness
It's new age clap trap - there's no actual gains to be made from it. Kittel is guilty of nothing more than gullibility
Which, when you factor in that a) he was 18-19 years old when this happened and b) was done as part of the German Federation's Olympic programme, is understandable.
Probably only to those with a brain though, the "they are all dopers" crowd will lap it up.0 -
16mm wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:gsk82 wrote:how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness
We'll we not talking blood bags here. We're talking a few cl.
It's a practice that has bugger all scientific foundation and is probably about as effective as a go faster stripe on a 1980s Ford Cortina.
It was done with intent. Re-injecting blood carries a risk, even if it's not a full bag.
The fact it has no scientific foundation, or effectiveness is not relevant.
His anti doping stance is hypocritical.
Has he broken any rules ? It seems not.
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
16mm wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:gsk82 wrote:how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness
We'll we not talking blood bags here. We're talking a few cl.
It's a practice that has bugger all scientific foundation and is probably about as effective as a go faster stripe on a 1980s Ford Cortina.
It was done with intent. Re-injecting blood carries a risk, even if it's not a full bag.
The fact it has no scientific foundation, or effectiveness is not relevant.
His anti doping stance is hypocritical.
It was done with the intent to cure an infection, that's not illegal. It was not done with the intent to increase heamatocrit, which isWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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andyp wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Because a) it's done in small amounts and b) it's taken out and put back in very soon after - no storage.gsk82 wrote:how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness
It's new age clap trap - there's no actual gains to be made from it. Kittel is guilty of nothing more than gullibility
Which, when you factor in that a) he was 18-19 years old when this happened and b) was done as part of the German Federation's Olympic programme, is understandable.
Probably only to those with a brain though, the "they are all dopers" crowd will lap it up.
Whenever he says anything about doping on twitter a handful of people bring this story up.
And they wonder why cyclists aren't more willing to discuss doping.0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:is probably about as effective as a go faster stripe on a 1980s Ford Cortina.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that my go faster stripes didn't improve the 0-60 time on my Escort??~~~~~~Sustrans - Join the Movement~~~~~~0 -
File beside Remy Di Gregorio and his glucose injections."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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16mm wrote:It was done with intent. Re-injecting blood carries a risk, even if it's not a full bag.
The fact it has no scientific foundation, or effectiveness is not relevant.
His anti doping stance is hypocritical.
He probably drinks water with intent as well... which is probably better for perfomance than the UV blood treatment in question.0 -
andyp wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Because a) it's done in small amounts and b) it's taken out and put back in very soon after - no storage.gsk82 wrote:how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness
It's new age clap trap - there's no actual gains to be made from it. Kittel is guilty of nothing more than gullibility
Which, when you factor in that a) he was 18-19 years old when this happened and b) was done as part of the German Federation's Olympic programme, is understandable.
Probably only to those with a brain though, the "they are all dopers" crowd will lap it up.
Exactly. But he beat Cav so there must be something we can find about him... Anything..
This news can't be news to anyone. It was dismissed long as being nothing and Kittel has since then done everything to make clear how he stand on the doping matter. Mord than anyone else in the peloton.0 -
it is monumentally stupid thou
I would hand out 6 month bans for idiocy....
on a more serious note anybody doing some new treatment that is not specifically banned but is a bit out there, I would like or expect them to ask for some clarification before they indulged in the voodoo.
What is the story on the rumors of procedures to effect the brains perception of exertion. A lot of stuff written on how the brain calls it a day before the body when it comes to perceived max effort."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
andyp wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Because a) it's done in small amounts and b) it's taken out and put back in very soon after - no storage.gsk82 wrote:how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness
It's new age clap trap - there's no actual gains to be made from it. Kittel is guilty of nothing more than gullibility
Which, when you factor in that a) he was 18-19 years old when this happened and b) was done as part of the German Federation's Olympic programme, is understandable.
Probably only to those with a brain though, the "they are all dopers" crowd will lap it up.
This. At that age I suspect most sports people will take advice from their mentors and it was officially sanctioned. That said, it is good that it was put under scrutiny if we are to move forward.0 -
Pross wrote:andyp wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Because a) it's done in small amounts and b) it's taken out and put back in very soon after - no storage.gsk82 wrote:how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness
It's new age clap trap - there's no actual gains to be made from it. Kittel is guilty of nothing more than gullibility
Which, when you factor in that a) he was 18-19 years old when this happened and b) was done as part of the German Federation's Olympic programme, is understandable.
Probably only to those with a brain though, the "they are all dopers" crowd will lap it up.
This. At that age I suspect most sports people will take advice from their mentors and it was officially sanctioned. That said, it is good that it was put under scrutiny if we are to move forward.
Perhaps its the german olympic program crew who need a talking too"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
mididoctors wrote:Perhaps its the german olympic program crew who need a talking too
The guy who did it was immediately fired and apparently the only one doing it.0 -
Setarkos wrote:mididoctors wrote:Perhaps its the german olympic program crew who need a talking too
The guy who did it was immediately fired and apparently the only one doing it.
sanity prevailed"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Brilliant idea, there would be no trace of it! As a side effect it'll probably cure you of a few diseases.0
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Pross wrote:andyp wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Because a) it's done in small amounts and b) it's taken out and put back in very soon after - no storage.gsk82 wrote:how is removing and reinfusing blood not blood doping? i quite liked kittel but this is grubby in the extreme and must call into question his trustworthiness
It's new age clap trap - there's no actual gains to be made from it. Kittel is guilty of nothing more than gullibility
Which, when you factor in that a) he was 18-19 years old when this happened and b) was done as part of the German Federation's Olympic programme, is understandable.
Probably only to those with a brain though, the "they are all dopers" crowd will lap it up.
This. At that age I suspect most sports people will take advice from their mentors and it was officially sanctioned. That said, it is good that it was put under scrutiny if we are to move forward.
It beggars belief that his federation would sanction this as part of an Olympic programme. If he had been older and wiser he would probably have asked serious questions. Were the Germans advocating this for all there athletes?0
