Government signals biggest disaster ever for Britain’s roads

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  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    This could be the best thing ever if done right.
    Follow the lead of Singapore. Sell contracts and add huge fines based on target failure and we will never have problems again. It's quite easy if done right.
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  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    VTech wrote:
    This could be the best thing ever if done right.
    Follow the lead of Singapore. Sell contracts and add huge fines based on target failure and we will never have problems again. It's quite easy if done right.

    It won't be. When was the last time anything was done right in this country? ;)
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  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    Grill wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    This could be the best thing ever if done right.
    Follow the lead of Singapore. Sell contracts and add huge fines based on target failure and we will never have problems again. It's quite easy if done right.

    It won't be. When was the last time anything was done right in this country? ;)

    Olympics? This summer has been well organised too. Lot's of sun and ladies in short dresses.
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    GiantMike wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    This could be the best thing ever if done right.
    Follow the lead of Singapore. Sell contracts and add huge fines based on target failure and we will never have problems again. It's quite easy if done right.

    It won't be. When was the last time anything was done right in this country? ;)

    Olympics? This summer has been well organised too. Lot's of sun and ladies in short dresses.

    Sure, but remind me- how much over budget was it? Also, what happened with the contracted security firm?
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  • junglist_matty
    junglist_matty Posts: 1,731
    Hardly surprising, the Conservatives want to privatise everything..... Nice big backhanders from privatisation
  • djm501
    djm501 Posts: 378
    That article sent my bullshitometer off scale.
  • Bar Shaker
    Bar Shaker Posts: 2,313
    That article is so socialist it is hilarious.

    Anyone who has driven (or cycled) around the French countryside will know that the scenarios suggested are complete rubbish.

    I am all for it.

    Matty, I think you will find the last Labour government to be the most corrupt in the history of politics, from passports for Keith Vaz's immigrant staff to Margaret Moran's expenses to dodgy dossiers and Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction. I guess you are too young to have experienced our railways when they were nationalised.
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  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    Grill wrote:
    It won't be. When was the last time anything was done right in this country? ;)

    I assume you mean England - we have still to build a suitable barrier with Wales :mrgreen:
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  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    smidsy wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    It won't be. When was the last time anything was done right in this country? ;)

    I assume you mean England - we have still to build a suitable barrier with Wales :mrgreen:

    Should have built a wall, not a bridge :wink:
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  • Daz555
    Daz555 Posts: 3,976
    Will be a disaster for road cyclists as tolls will put more and more drivers onto country lanes.
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  • lawrences
    lawrences Posts: 1,011
    The article is written with such bias it becomes unreadable.
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    SloppySchleckonds wrote:
    smidsy wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    It won't be. When was the last time anything was done right in this country? ;)

    I assume you mean England - we have still to build a suitable barrier with Wales :mrgreen:

    Should have built a wall, not a bridge :wink:

    Remember you only have to pay to visit; it's free to leave! :P
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  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    I agree that the article holds little to no water but I visit singapore and marvel at the wonderful roads they have and when I asked how it is maintained to such a standard the answer is privatisation.

    The government strictly control contracts and if your late or the work is poor you are punished massively and directors cant hide behind a bankrupt firm either, they are ALWAYS accountable.
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  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    Grill wrote:
    Remember you only have to pay to visit; it's free to leave! :P

    Not sure they thought that through very well. You would make much more money if it was reversed :lol:
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  • jezzpalmer
    jezzpalmer Posts: 389
    Grill wrote:
    GiantMike wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    This could be the best thing ever if done right.
    Follow the lead of Singapore. Sell contracts and add huge fines based on target failure and we will never have problems again. It's quite easy if done right.

    It won't be. When was the last time anything was done right in this country? ;)

    Olympics? This summer has been well organised too. Lot's of sun and ladies in short dresses.

    Sure, but remind me- how much over budget was it? Also, what happened with the contracted security firm?

    Olympics was ~£400m under budget.
    G4S, well, they started charging the government for ASBO tags that the dead were wearing. :mrgreen: Probably in an attempt to get back what they were fined for screwing the olympics up.
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    jezzpalmer wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    GiantMike wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    This could be the best thing ever if done right.
    Follow the lead of Singapore. Sell contracts and add huge fines based on target failure and we will never have problems again. It's quite easy if done right.

    It won't be. When was the last time anything was done right in this country? ;)

    Olympics? This summer has been well organised too. Lot's of sun and ladies in short dresses.

    Sure, but remind me- how much over budget was it? Also, what happened with the contracted security firm?

    Olympics was ~£400m under budget.
    G4S, well, they started charging the government for ASBO tags that the dead were wearing. :mrgreen: Probably in an attempt to get back what they were fined for screwing the olympics up.

    The original budget was 2.4 billion and was later increased to 9.3 billion. I think that the government trying to take the stance that it came in under budget is really taking the piss.
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  • lawrences
    lawrences Posts: 1,011
    smidsy wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    Remember you only have to pay to visit; it's free to leave! :P

    Not sure they thought that through very well. You would make much more money if it was reversed :lol:

    That's a cruel trap.
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    lawrences wrote:
    smidsy wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    Remember you only have to pay to visit; it's free to leave! :P

    Not sure they thought that through very well. You would make much more money if it was reversed :lol:

    That's a cruel trap.

    It's only a matter of time until the Scots start stealing our tricks! ;)
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  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    Hadrian had the right idea :-)
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  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    Grill wrote:
    jezzpalmer wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    GiantMike wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    This could be the best thing ever if done right.
    Follow the lead of Singapore. Sell contracts and add huge fines based on target failure and we will never have problems again. It's quite easy if done right.

    It won't be. When was the last time anything was done right in this country? ;)

    Olympics? This summer has been well organised too. Lot's of sun and ladies in short dresses.

    Sure, but remind me- how much over budget was it? Also, what happened with the contracted security firm?

    Olympics was ~£400m under budget.
    G4S, well, they started charging the government for ASBO tags that the dead were wearing. :mrgreen: Probably in an attempt to get back what they were fined for screwing the olympics up.

    The original budget was 2.4 billion and was later increased to 9.3 billion. I think that the government trying to take the stance that it came in under budget is really taking the wee-wee.

    So many different stats about this but the main one being that it was under budget by £300m which is politics at its best :)
    A friend of mine made £30m on a small patch of land he bought and sold within 2 months to be used as part of the olympic park. Trust me, a lot of grease was used to palm hands down London way :)
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  • diy
    diy Posts: 6,473
    I never could understand why the Highways agency need top of the range 4x4s, when the RAC and AA cope fine with transit vans.
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  • AchillesLeftKnee
    AchillesLeftKnee Posts: 713
    ju5t1n wrote:
    http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/government-signals-biggest-disaster-ever-for-britains-roads-privatisation/
    Does he even know what the Highways Agency does?
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  • TimInno
    TimInno Posts: 46
    I stopped reading after the first few sentences...when it's clearly just a 'bash' tories article
  • sub55
    sub55 Posts: 1,025
    Grill wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    This could be the best thing ever if done right.
    Follow the lead of Singapore. Sell contracts and add huge fines based on target failure and we will never have problems again. It's quite easy if done right.

    It won't be. When was the last time anything was done right in this country? ;)

    Talk about hypocrisy Grill, let me get this right , you`re a yank living in wales passing comment on an english problem.
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  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    sub55 wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    This could be the best thing ever if done right.
    Follow the lead of Singapore. Sell contracts and add huge fines based on target failure and we will never have problems again. It's quite easy if done right.

    It won't be. When was the last time anything was done right in this country? ;)

    Talk about hypocrisy Grill, let me get this right , you`re a yank living in wales passing comment on an english problem.

    Actually I'm a Londoner with a French mother who was raised in the US and now lives in Wales. The only 'yank' things about me are my accent and vernacular. Get it right. :P
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Grill wrote:
    sub55 wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    This could be the best thing ever if done right.
    Follow the lead of Singapore. Sell contracts and add huge fines based on target failure and we will never have problems again. It's quite easy if done right.

    It won't be. When was the last time anything was done right in this country? ;)

    Talk about hypocrisy Grill, let me get this right , you`re a yank living in wales passing comment on an english problem.

    Actually I'm a Londoner with a French mother who was raised in the US and now lives in Wales.

    So basically, you are just very confused! :lol:
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  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    I am whatever is most convenient at the time! ;)
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  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    I'm working for a Tarmac company at the moment on a contract and they tell me that UK roads are built with a 6" depth lasting typically 3-5 years whilst German roads cost 30% more at 9" and last 12-16 years average.

    Work it out !
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  • diy
    diy Posts: 6,473
    VTech wrote:

    Work it out !
    I give up - is it something to do with the metric system? :D
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  • Initialised
    Initialised Posts: 3,047
    diy wrote:
    VTech wrote:

    Work it out !
    I give up - is it something to do with the metric system? :D

    300-400% the lifespan for 130% cost

    I don't mind paying high taxes if I get good value for money but... our motorways are great, it's the rest of the network that needs help.

    I know, we can pay for it with ASL cameras, cycle lane cameras and aggressive deployment of more cycle lanes and ASLs enforced by cameras and top this up with statutory liability for the motorist in a car vs bike collision whereby the offending motorist must take and pass bike ability, driving theory and practical before being allowed to drive again. If the government want to earn more money from motorists they could monetise helmet cams, providing fines to errant drivers caught by headcam heros and providing a percentage to this to the video vigilante who supplied the footage .
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