Removing Miche Campag cassette

Paulj700
Paulj700 Posts: 76
edited July 2013 in Workshop
So, this should be easy.

My bike has campag veloce apart from the miche wheels and cassette. Its a 10 speed miche cassette for campag stuff.

I go and buy a lifeline cassette removal tool and it does not fit. Its just ever so slightly too big, although the teeth align perfectly. Is there a chance i have a miche shimano cassette?

cheers

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  • ride_whenever
    ride_whenever Posts: 13,279
    Did you buy the campag or shimano tool?
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  • Paulj700
    Paulj700 Posts: 76
    Its the campag tool.

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/lifeline-campag ... al-tool-1/

    The tolerance for this things fitting seems to be less than 0.1 mm.

    Maybe i need to get busy with a file.....
  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    Have they definitely sent you the correct thing? I had a pantomime once when I ordered a freewheel remover and was sent a shimano pattern cassette lockring tool instead (actually they sent a box of 10, but that's a different story). It looked as if it was going to fit, the spline pattern matched exactly, but it was just a fraction too big to fit in. In the end I took the wheel into Halfords and tried the thing labelled as a freewheel remover just to be sure it fitted before buying it.

    I have no experience of Miche / Campag though.
  • secretsam
    secretsam Posts: 5,120
    @OP: Miche / Campag mix: not a Cinelli by any chance? I've just bought one!
    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • Paulj700
    Paulj700 Posts: 76
    SecretSam wrote:
    @OP: Miche / Campag mix: not a Cinelli by any chance? I've just bought one!

    No its a Battaglin Start sold by wiggle in 2011 (now called the s11 I think). Battaglin use a mix of Campag Veloce/Xenon mated with Miche hubs and Cassette.

    I have discovered via a trip to a LBS this morning that Miche are something of a law unto themselves as regards fittings. Basically, even though they sell the Cassette as Campag compatible, it is NOT a campag tool that you need to remove it, its Miche's own fitting. There are miche removal tools available but I cant find any available in this country.

    I managed to muddle through and get enough purchase on the lock-ring teeth with about 6-7 of the campag tool teeth to get the lock-ring moving.

    Not ideal.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Rubbish. I use miche cassettes and sell them and I can assure you the miche campag cassette uses a campag freehub tool. the park BBT-5 fits perfectly. That LBS has told you porkies and its your tool that is the problem here.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • Paulj700
    Paulj700 Posts: 76
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    Rubbish. I use miche cassettes and sell them and I can assure you the miche campag cassette uses a campag freehub tool. the park BBT-5 fits perfectly. That LBS has told you porkies and its your tool that is the problem here.

    I concur. Having ordered a Lifeline campag cassette removal tool from Wiggle and found it didn't fit, I suspected it might be something to do with Miche as the machining and tolerances of the admittedly low level stuff looks (although it may well not be) pretty poor.

    Yesterday I walked along to another LBS and bought a Unior tool to fit Campag lockrings (taking a lockring with me), the tool drops in with a little push and is a good snug fit.

    Looks like another return to Wiggle and a apology to Miche.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Miche kit is not made with poor tolerances. It may not be Record standard but then they [miche] make Supertype components to compete at that level and they are top drawer parts but limtied to wheels, Alumiunium casettes, carbon cranksets, brakes. There are also alloy seatposts pedals just no shifters and mechs.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • team47b
    team47b Posts: 6,425
    Lifeline stuff is 'cheap' better quality tools are available.
    my isetta is a 300cc bike
  • Paulj700
    Paulj700 Posts: 76
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    Miche kit is not made with poor tolerances. It may not be Record standard but then they [miche] make Supertype components to compete at that level and they are top drawer parts but limtied to wheels, Alumiunium casettes, carbon cranksets, brakes. There are also alloy seatposts pedals just no shifters and mechs.

    I actually said that the tollerances "looked" poor but conceded that they might well not be. There is what I would call an irregular finish to the Miche lockrings I have.

    Having bought a Unior tool, I've found it fits perfectly.
  • Paulj700
    Paulj700 Posts: 76
    team47b wrote:
    Lifeline stuff is 'cheap' better quality tools are available.

    I realise that might be the cae now, but its always tempting to go along with multiple 5/5 ratings in the absence of other opinion.

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