Spoke failure - Correctly re-laced? (I Guess Not)

Stewpot407
Stewpot407 Posts: 97
edited July 2013 in Workshop
Afternoon,

I've broken two spokes over the last couple weeks. The first time my LBS replaced the spoke. The second time I instructed them to replace all spokes for double butted dt's. Job done and picked up the bike last night.

On closer inspection I've noticed that the spokes aren't as straight as I thought they should be. To me and my completely untrained eye it looks as if the spokes are started on the wrong side of the hub forcing more curvature.

Can you have a quick look and tell me if all looks good?

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Cheers

Stew
An aging Trek 5500 OCLV
Not so aging Pina Dogma (AK61)

Comments

  • desweller
    desweller Posts: 5,175
    Looks all right to me.
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  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    You'll find big debates online whether leading/trailing spokes should be heads-in or heads-out with strong arguments put forward in either case. The great Sheldon Brown advocates trailing spokes, heads-in which is what your builder has done.
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  • Stewpot407
    Stewpot407 Posts: 97
    That's all I need to know chaps, thank you very much.

    Cheers

    Stew
    An aging Trek 5500 OCLV
    Not so aging Pina Dogma (AK61)
  • crankycrank
    crankycrank Posts: 1,830
    To me it looks as though the heads-in spokes have not been seated properly resulting in the bowing you're seeing. Hard to tell for sure but a possibility.
  • I would say it's laced correctly, however the finishing on the build could have been better.
  • Stewpot407
    Stewpot407 Posts: 97
    Oh dear!

    Went out today... 4 spokes on the non drive side virtually fell out. I'm not sure they either tightened them up corrected or didn't use any thread lock. Not happy!!! Photos to follow :(

    Cheers

    Stew
    An aging Trek 5500 OCLV
    Not so aging Pina Dogma (AK61)
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,673
    As above does look like they have not been finished off to well.

    the fact that you have had a failure already looks like a serious lack of tension in the build.
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  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    Get your money back and go to a proper wheel builder who actually uses a tension meter.

    As for lacing, these are Pete Matthews build (who knows a thing or two about wheels).

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  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    They might have got the spoke lacing correct, but cannot vouch for quality of built - paired spoke designs require higher, consistent spoke tensions - if not, spokes are over-loaded, leading to premature failure. If the builder doesn't use a tension meter, find someone who does.
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  • heez29
    heez29 Posts: 612
    It's how I'd lace the wheel. However failure already? Not the greatest of build unfortunately.

    Also that last picture put up not by the OP is a 3 cross build, OP has a 2 cross build.
  • Stewpot407
    Stewpot407 Posts: 97
    Wheel is going back to the LBS. The shop owner is working on it this time. Fingers crossed for a better result.

    Different lengths?
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    Brand new Corsa CX's rubbed against the frame and are now down to the canvas :(
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    Spaghetti Spokes :(
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    Really, really hoping that the rim isn't toast now :(

    Cheers

    Stew
    An aging Trek 5500 OCLV
    Not so aging Pina Dogma (AK61)
  • heez29
    heez29 Posts: 612
    FLOL.

    Wrong size spokes... The first picture you put up looks like a different wheel. The above post, 3rd picture is laughable.
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    heez29 wrote:
    Also that last picture put up not by the OP is a 3 cross build, OP has a 2 cross build.

    Indeed. It was more to show the direction of the lacing as the OP seemed concerned about that element.
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  • junglist_matty
    junglist_matty Posts: 1,731
    If my wheel was re-built and came back looking like this:

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    I'd have asked for my money back and gone to another shop to get it tensioned, those spokes are clearly not tensioned right; I bet the wheel wasn't even laterally trued looking at those original photos!
    At this stage, the spokes will not be running straight, but will be noticeably curved where they leave the hub. The leading spokes, in particular, will be swooping outward as they leave the hub, then gradually curving back toward the rim. Before you start applying tension to the spokes, you should bend them by hand so that they fit snugly against the sides of the hub flanges. This can be done easily by pressing on each spoke in turn with your thumb about an inch out from the hub. If you don't do this, the spokes will still be slightly curved when the wheel is finished. These curves will gradually straighten themselves out over the first few hundred miles on the road, and the wheel will lose tension and go out of true.


    Top tip: Find a new wheelbuilder!