Ragley Piglet or Santa Cruz Chameleon Frames??

stuartfung

Right, I've decided to explore the option of swapping all my components from my cube acid over to a new frame and like both the Ragley Piglet and the SC Chameleon. Possible to do?? Which of these two frames are better for trail Centre rides with occasional stay up and down hills?

cooldad

Possible? - You need to make a list of what you have and compare it to what you will need.

welshkev

IIRC the chameleon will take 140mm forks, the piglet only 120mm forks. so that makes quite a difference straight away.

the cube is a nice bike, if you're keeping the same forks why are you changing the frame? :?

thelonegroover

Both the Chameleon and Piglet are more trail/downhill orientated than the Acid. Personally, I'd go for the Piglet. But then I do frefer steel to Alu. Also the Piglet is about £250 cheaper. So you could upgrade something.

stuartfung

The Acid is a more general ride, and that is not what I am after now. So wanting to keep the components from the Cude and swap them over to a medium size frame as mentioned above. I've also looked at On One Inbred as a potential candidate. I do like the Chameleon and it would have to be the medium size but the piglet I think it would have to be the small, apparently.

The Rookie

Consider the Ragley Marley, Piglet Geo in ally.....

welshkev

but I still don't get why? if you were changing to more travel etc then i'd understand. but it's not going to make a huge difference if, like I said, you're keeping the forks aswell :?

but each to their own

cooldad

He has a few random threads on the same thing - in one the current bike is too small.

thelonegroover

How tall are you? I'm 5' 9 1/2" I used to have an 16" Inbred, which had a effective TT length of 589mm, I now have a 17.5" High Latitude, which is 595mm. The Piglet 16" is 585mm, 18" is 605mm.

The Latitude has a shorter stem, I think in your case, depending on your height, either a 16" with longer stem or 18" with shorter stem would do.
Chameleon med is 585, conclusion: I'd go for the 16" sqealer!

thelonegroover

cooldad wrote:

He has a few random threads on the same thing - in one the current bike is too small.

I see what you mean, says he wants an XC/race frame, but the two frames he's selected are more trail based. Although in my opinion either frame would be better than the Cube.

jairaj

welshkev wrote:

but I still don't get why? if you were changing to more travel etc then i'd understand. but it's not going to make a huge difference if, like I said, you're keeping the forks aswell :?

but each to their own

The travel of a frame is only part of the puzzle, the geometry also a big (in my opinion a far more important) part in what the bike feels like.

eg You can make a 120m steep angled racy bike or a 120mm jump bike or a 120mm slack angled free ride bike etc

All three frames will have different feel and work better or worse in very different situations.


OP - can you clarify what you intend to use the new frame for? and what you what to change compared to your current frame.

welshkev

jairaj wrote:

welshkev wrote:

but I still don't get why? if you were changing to more travel etc then i'd understand. but it's not going to make a huge difference if, like I said, you're keeping the forks aswell :?

but each to their own

The travel of a frame is only part of the puzzle, the geometry also a big (in my opinion a far more important) part in what the bike feels like.

eg You can make a 120m steep angled racy bike or a 120mm jump bike or a 120mm slack angled free ride bike etc

All three frames will have different feel and work better or worse in very different situations.


OP - can you clarify what you intend to use the new frame for? and what you what to change compared to your current frame.

fair point, but I went from a 100mm travel giant talon to my current ride which is a 150mm cove stiffee. if i'd kept the 100mm travel forks I wouldn't have felt that much difference even though the geometry of the cove is designed for more of a 'hardcore' hardtail

stuartfung

Thelonegroover wrote:

How tall are you? I'm 5' 9 1/2" I used to have an 16" Inbred, which had a effective TT length of 589mm, I now have a 17.5" High Latitude, which is 595mm. The Piglet 16" is 585mm, 18" is 605mm.

The Latitude has a shorter stem, I think in your case, depending on your height, either a 16" with longer stem or 18" with shorter stem would do.
Chameleon med is 585, conclusion: I'd go for the 16" sqealer!

Hi everyone, yes, so observant of you all that ALL my posts relate to having bought the 'wrong' bike (and yes I tried a few bikes but thought a small size would be right because was thinking of the standover clearance), even tried selling it as a whole with no luck. I am 5'7 and the short TT of the Cube keeps me upright, and yes I have tried a longer stem (110mm) and very minimal change. I have, since having bought it, tried other 'medium' sized bikes and they gave the right fit. So, hence this post, was looking at options as I do just want to get out there and ride. I will going on trail centre rides and the odd xc rides with my riding buddies.
@Thelonegroover, for the Chameleon, do you think a small rather than a medium?
I also read that this frame is best used with a 130mm fork; true or can I use my 100mm RS XC32 Solo Air with it?
All-in-all I think I should have 'test-drove' a few more bikes before parting with my cash.

nicklouse

stuartfung wrote:

was thinking of the standover clearance

and that was your first error. hence the stand over topic in general. with the advent of suspension standover clearance went out of the window for many people.

re the swapping of parts. Like I said in your other post get measuring and then compare. here you ask about using your current fork on a new frame. sure a 100mm fork can be used but the steering might be a bit sharper than you would want or be expecting. but first will it even fit? is the steerer long enough? if not then the question has no relavance as you will have to by another fork and then you can get what ever you feel like.

So back to measureing and then see what frames you could possibly use. Dont forget things like headsets and stems need to be considered for the steerer length.

thelonegroover

stuartfung wrote:

Thelonegroover wrote:

How tall are you? I'm 5' 9 1/2" I used to have an 16" Inbred, which had a effective TT length of 589mm, I now have a 17.5" High Latitude, which is 595mm. The Piglet 16" is 585mm, 18" is 605mm.

The Latitude has a shorter stem, I think in your case, depending on your height, either a 16" with longer stem or 18" with shorter stem would do.
Chameleon med is 585, conclusion: I'd go for the 16" sqealer!

Hi everyone, yes, so observant of you all that ALL my posts relate to having bought the 'wrong' bike (and yes I tried a few bikes but thought a small size would be right because was thinking of the standover clearance), even tried selling it as a whole with no luck. I am 5'7 and the short TT of the Cube keeps me upright, and yes I have tried a longer stem (110mm) and very minimal change. I have, since having bought it, tried other 'medium' sized bikes and they gave the right fit. So, hence this post, was looking at options as I do just want to get out there and ride. I will going on trail centre rides and the odd xc rides with my riding buddies.
@Thelonegroover, for the Chameleon, do you think a small rather than a medium?
I also read that this frame is best used with a 130mm fork; true or can I use my 100mm RS XC32 Solo Air with it?
All-in-all I think I should have 'test-drove' a few more bikes before parting with my cash.

I'm not sure, Santa Cruz seem to think a med for your height, you'd need to sit on one.