Fulcrum 3 v Fulcrum 5 v Mavic kry elite

Mreckless

Just wondering what would be the best winter training wheel for money. I live in a very hilly area.
Cheers

The Real Radioactiveman

mavic > fulcrum due to availability of spares

As for winter wheels , I wish I was a quid behind you....

mikenetic

Indeed. Another option are the Fulcrum CX wheels. Same weight, way better seals, so will stand up to winter conditions for longer.

Mreckless

My training wheels are Giant pr2s which i don't like. I want fast stiff training wheels really that will last a few seasons

ugo.santalucia

The Real Radioactiveman wrote:

mavic > fulcrum due to availability of spares

As for winter wheels , I wish I was a quid behind you....

Normally availability of spares is seen as a Mavic weakness rather than a Mavic strength... but I suppose if one is easily pleased, then even a replacement rim sold at 150 pounds is better than being kicked in the nuts... :?

Mreckless

Anyone run any of these wheels? Whats the performance difference between 3s and 5s?

styxd

Fulcrum 5 since they're cheapest. Winter wheels don't last very long if you live in a hilly area IME.

Mreckless

Is the difference in performance between noticeable as i will be doing the odd crit and chaingang on them

slowbike

Quite honestly. For winter training you want the heaviest wheels you can get. It makes you work harder and therefore your fitness will improve.
Racing then becomes easy as you put your lightweight wonders on.

Jerez though. F3s 5s or ky elite as winter trainers?! I wish. Summer best for most of us m8!


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Mreckless

Might just go for the 5s then.

neeb

Slowbike wrote:

Quite honestly. For winter training you want the heaviest wheels you can get. It makes you work harder and therefore your fitness will improve.
Racing then becomes easy as you put your lightweight wonders on.

Jerez though. F3s 5s or ky elite as winter trainers?! I wish. Summer best for most of us m8!


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Your fitness won't improve if the bike becomes such a misery to ride that you don't go out on it as often. My experience is that the lighter and nicer to ride the bike is, the more you use it and the more effort you put into riding it. Psychology is an important factor.

Not convinced at all by the training on heavier wheels thing. You won't put any more effort in and work harder if that's what you are riding most of the time. More likely is that on the rare occasions you put your good wheels on, it will seem so effortless that you will put less effort in!

slowbike

neeb wrote:

Your fitness won't improve if the bike becomes such a misery to ride that you don't go out on it as often. My experience is that the lighter and nicer to ride the bike is, the more you use it and the more effort you put into riding it. Psychology is an important factor.
Not convinced at all by the training on heavier wheels thing. You won't put any more effort in and work harder if that's what you are riding most of the time. More likely is that on the rare occasions you put your good wheels on, it will seem so effortless that you will put less effort in!

You do need to want to ride - so perhaps you don't want concrete wheels ... but if you have got heavier wheels then I find you do tend to put a bit more effort in - I certainly did.
My average speed over winter was well down - and it would be easy to get disheartened over the "lack of performance" - but you need to remind yourself that you're riding in denser air, heavier bike, less aero, more clothing and with less grip on the road ... then once the weather improves you can hop on your good bike and have a good blast ... it's given my speed a boost and I've not done specific training.

Sprool

I'd opt for the cx versions for winter due to the better seals, as per mikenetic's post.

Mreckless

Hmmmm some good responses here. Still unsure. Rs80s or dura ace c24s much better than the 3 above. I would like to have nice wheels and i like training hard so having heavy wheels will probably beat me up mentally

dwanes

neeb wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

Quite honestly. For winter training you want the heaviest wheels you can get. It makes you work harder and therefore your fitness will improve.
Racing then becomes easy as you put your lightweight wonders on.

Jerez though. F3s 5s or ky elite as winter trainers?! I wish. Summer best for most of us m8!


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Your fitness won't improve if the bike becomes such a misery to ride that you don't go out on it as often. My experience is that the lighter and nicer to ride the bike is, the more you use it and the more effort you put into riding it. Psychology is an important factor.

Not convinced at all by the training on heavier wheels thing. You won't put any more effort in and work harder if that's what you are riding most of the time. More likely is that on the rare occasions you put your good wheels on, it will seem so effortless that you will put less effort in!

+1
Makes sense to save up for your next 'good' set of wheels then waste it on 'winter' wheels.
Also winter or summer in this country doesnt make much difference.

bisoner

I think you have to throw Campag Zonda's into the conversation if you are talking about Fulcrum 3's. A quick google throws up plenty of praise for these wheels.

http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k632/a97628/zonda-wheelset-black-shimano.html

These wheels are likely to be stiffer than RS80's, similar in weight and cheaper too.

backo

Have Fuclrum 3s on my sunday bike and fulcrum 7s on my winter bike.

I did have fulcrum 5s on my winter bike but after many a thousand miles the rims wore down. Only ever serviced them once and suffered two broken spokes and a broken pawl spring in that time...all easily replaced and found no problems sourcing the parts.Think I paid £160ish for them and without dobut got my monies worth.

The reason I chose fuclrum 7s as a replacement to the 5s was because I wanted to see if there was a noticeable difference between the two.

I cant honestly tell any difference what so ever between the 7s and 5s.

I can however tell a difference between the 7s and 3s and the 5s and the 3s as the 3s feel zippier.

I bought all these wheels from merlyn cycles as I couldnt find anywhere cheaper (there is an addtional 10% taken off from the price you see in the website).

hope this helps...but if I was you I would get a set of 7s for £126 delivered...a steal really considering they will last for a long long time.

markhewitt1978

neeb wrote:

Your fitness won't improve if the bike becomes such a misery to ride that you don't go out on it as often. My experience is that the lighter and nicer to ride the bike is, the more you use it and the more effort you put into riding it. Psychology is an important factor.

So true! Since I upgraded my frame I'm looking at doing 60mile weekend rides whereas before 40miles would be my maximum.

styxd

Your fitness does not improve with heavier wheels. Training correctly improves your fitness.

But heavier wheels will probably last longer than lighter ones.

Get the 5s

smidsy

For winter training get some hand built wheels. Far better to spend £40 on a new rim than £150 (if you can actually get one that is).

Also helps to have servicable hubs.

daniel_b

backo wrote:

I bought all these wheels from merlyn cycles as I couldnt find anywhere cheaper (there is an addtional 10% taken off from the price you see in the website).

Rather bizarrely Wiggle are cheaper at the mo for the 7's and 5's - they even had a 10% off code that was working recently.

tonye_n

neeb wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

Quite honestly. For winter training you want the heaviest wheels you can get. It makes you work harder and therefore your fitness will improve.
Racing then becomes easy as you put your lightweight wonders on.

Jerez though. F3s 5s or ky elite as winter trainers?! I wish. Summer best for most of us m8!


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Your fitness won't improve if the bike becomes such a misery to ride that you don't go out on it as often. My experience is that the lighter and nicer to ride the bike is, the more you use it and the more effort you put into riding it. Psychology is an important factor.

Not convinced at all by the training on heavier wheels thing. You won't put any more effort in and work harder if that's what you are riding most of the time. More likely is that on the rare occasions you put your good wheels on, it will seem so effortless that you will put less effort in!

^ This.
I too think this thing about heavier wheels for winter is tosh.
You want to have a chance to enjoy your ride, especially in winter.... And wheels really affect this.

Mreckless

Do you have the discount code for wiggle?

Mreckless

Ended up buying the racing 5s 2014 version. My local bike shop just got them in so had them fitted and rode on them today. 38 miles 2700ft of climbing. 20.3mph average and a few pbs. Happy

ugo.santalucia

Mreckless wrote:

38 miles 2700ft of climbing. 20.3mph average and a few pbs. Happy

Really? That is pretty impressive going :shock:

Mreckless

Yeah pretty happy with it. Might even leave them on for my crit race Wednesday

markhewitt1978

It only means anything in comparison to previous wheels. He might have ended up slower!

andyrooroo

I have some fulcrum 5's, nice set of wheels, picked them up in the sale for around £160, my brother has some fulcrum 3's which he paid twice (or more) for and they seem marginally better. Depends on budget!

Mreckless

Well I can tell the difference in comfort of riding so it's not only the speed. The felt more responsive and stiffer on the climbs