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Is the long Roubaix top tube so much of an issue ?

RafflesRaffles Posts: 1,137
edited June 2013 in Road buying advice
Ive my eyes open for a 2nd bike, a big mile eater which is very comfortable. Tall head tube is a must for me as I really hate the low down and stretched out position which comes with using short head tubes. The bikes that are on my list to have a look at are the Cannondale Synapse, Specialized Roubaix and Jamis Ventura. Both the Dale and Jamis seems to be made with big miles in comfort in mind, slightly shorter top tubes and plenty tall head tubes being in their specification. Im 5 ft 9 and I ride size 54 in a bike, what mystifies me is why Spesh have a 548mm long top tube when CDale have 540mm and Jamis 538mm on their size 54`s. With the CDale it would be a 100mm stem, the Jamis a 110mm stem and the Spesh probably the dreaded 90mm stem for me. I just cannot fathom the need for such a long top tube on the Spesh, those bikes have a reputation for utter comfort but having to use a fidgety 90mm stem would be a dealbreaker for me. Those who own Roubaix`s, has the overly long top tubes in relation to the frame size caused any issues for you ? In terms of the spesh, if I looked at the size 52 then the head tube length would be the dealbreaker , now if the made the size 52 frame with a size 54 head tube.........sorted !
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  • BrakelessBrakeless Posts: 865
    Why don't you go to a shop(s) and try them ?
  • antflyantfly Posts: 3,276
    Don't forget the stem is adjustable with shims, although you have to ask for the extra shims if you want them, and there are 40mm of spacers under the stem.The top tube doesn't feel long at all to me and I am 5ft 8 with a 110 stem on a 54. I have the expert model, it's very comfortable.
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  • GrillGrill Posts: 5,610
    What are the seat tube and head tube angles as these will change the ETT accordingly.
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  • alihisgreatalihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    Raffles wrote:
    Ive my eyes open for a 2nd bike, a big mile eater which is very comfortable. Tall head tube is a must for me as I really hate the low down and stretched out position which comes with using short head tubes. The bikes that are on my list to have a look at are the Cannondale Synapse, Specialized Roubaix and Jamis Ventura. Both the Dale and Jamis seems to be made with big miles in comfort in mind, slightly shorter top tubes and plenty tall head tubes being in their specification. Im 5 ft 9 and I ride size 54 in a bike, what mystifies me is why Spesh have a 548mm long top tube when CDale have 540mm and Jamis 538mm on their size 54`s. With the CDale it would be a 100mm stem, the Jamis a 110mm stem and the Spesh probably the dreaded 90mm stem for me. I just cannot fathom the need for such a long top tube on the Spesh, those bikes have a reputation for utter comfort but having to use a fidgety 90mm stem would be a dealbreaker for me. Those who own Roubaix`s, has the overly long top tubes in relation to the frame size caused any issues for you ? In terms of the spesh, if I looked at the size 52 then the head tube length would be the dealbreaker , now if the made the size 52 frame with a size 54 head tube.........sorted !


    Are you seriously asking why different manufacturers have different geometry on their bikes?

    You can't expect every size 54 bike to have exactly the same dimensions... maybe you should contact specialized directly and they'll shave 8mm off the top tube on the 2014 models for you.
  • rolf_frolf_f Posts: 16,015
    edited June 2013
    Raffles wrote:
    Im 5 ft 9 and I ride size 54 in a bike, what mystifies me is why Spesh have a 548mm long top tube when CDale have 540mm and Jamis 538mm on their size 54`s.

    What mystifies me is why Cannondale have 540mm and Jamis 538mm on their size 54 when Specialized have a 548mm long top tube. :wink:

    People are different shapes. Just because the Specialized is relatively long (but still short compared to 'normal' geometry frames) for you doesn't mean it is too long for someone else. Just as well really that bike geometries do vary in the same way that peoples geometries vary.....

    Incidentally, there is nothing fidgety about 90mm stems. I use them - no alternative. They are fine. You might find one ever so slightly twitchier than a 100 mm stem for about 500 yards but after that it would be fine. It isn't anything worth losing sleep over.
    Grill wrote:
    What are the seat tube and head tube angles as these will change the ETT accordingly.

    Well, the head tube angle would change things but not the seat tube as you'd have to compensate for that by moving the saddle forward or aft to maintain the correct position over the BB.
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  • GrillGrill Posts: 5,610
    Rolf F wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    What are the seat tube and head tube angles as these will change the ETT accordingly.

    Well, the head tube angle would change things but not the seat tube as you'd have to compensate for that by moving the saddle forward or aft to maintain the correct position over the BB.

    Yes but the manufacturers ETT is based upon seat tube, not saddle position.
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  • rolf_frolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Grill wrote:
    Rolf F wrote:
    Grill wrote:
    What are the seat tube and head tube angles as these will change the ETT accordingly.

    Well, the head tube angle would change things but not the seat tube as you'd have to compensate for that by moving the saddle forward or aft to maintain the correct position over the BB.

    Yes but the manufacturers ETT is based upon seat tube, not saddle position.

    True enough - it depends on whether Raffles is concerned about geometry tables or actual fit! And of course it also means that the apparent close match between the Cannondale and Jamis might not be how it is. Without the angles, for all we know the Specialised and Cannondale could be the closest match.
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  • mamba80mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    8mm ???? what r u on? Do you really think you are such a bike guru you could notice that difference?

    Your choice of bar ie reach - would easily compenate for that and a 100 or 90mm stem on the same bike and you think one will be more twitchy that the other? what if their fork rakes/offsets were different then?

    Test ride the bikes and see what you prefer? choice prob based on colour, grp set and price :)
  • Contact a Spesh Concept Store and if you let them scan a credit card for the cost they will let you have a test model to take away for a few days (I had my Secteur on test for a week). They will also measure you for fit for £40 which is deducted from the cost if you buy a bike from them. If you do buy one they will set up a Roubaix (includes stem angle and length) from those measurements for you.

    May cost a little more than some on the web with discounts but well well worth it IME for the piece of mind and CS.
  • unixnerdunixnerd Posts: 2,864
    I'm 5'6" on a 52 frame and it feels perfect. It certainly never FEELS like it has a long top tube and I'm running the stock 110mm stem. I'm pretty inflexible and am a long way from riding with a flat back, if I can get on with this geometry I'd say anyone could!
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  • t4tomot4tomo Posts: 2,643
    If comfortable miler eater is the aim, why aren't you looking at the Trek Domane?
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  • on-yer-bikeon-yer-bike Posts: 2,974
    If the Cannodale has a 73.5 degree seat tube and the Roubaix has 73 the effective reach will be similar. Roubaixs look so horrible with those jelly inserts...
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  • unixnerdunixnerd Posts: 2,864
    I originally wanted a Synapse carbon but went with the Roabaix as the LBS 100m from my house is a Specialized dealer and I wasn't going to buy from anywhere else. I got the SL3 and I've not been disappointed, wish the paint scheme was a bit nicer but that's about it.
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  • antflyantfly Posts: 3,276
    If the Cannodale has a 73.5 degree seat tube and the Roubaix has 73 the effective reach will be similar. Roubaixs look so horrible with those jelly inserts...
    That's just rude..my bike looks lovely.
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  • luv2rideluv2ride Posts: 2,367
    antfly wrote:
    Don't forget the stem is adjustable with shims, although you have to ask for the extra shims if you want them, and there are 40mm of spacers under the stem.The top tube doesn't feel long at all to me and I am 5ft 8 with a 110 stem on a 54. I have the expert model, it's very comfortable.

    Same here. No issues with the the length of the top tube on a 54 Roubaix at 5 foot 8 and a half. Recently had a bike fit on it which confirmed my reach was good, although they actually moved my saddle back a touch and put the stem down a spacer (obviously more flexible than I thought!). I'd recommend the Roubaix, a fast comfortable ride. Oh, I'm a 110mm stem also...
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