aggresive / trail HT frame ideas
sofaboy73
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been thinking recently about building up a second bike and liking the idea of a hard tail, but something that would take a 140 / 150 fork and a bit more of a relaxed head angle (c 67 / 68 degrees). will be a long term project done on a very tight budget (£200-250 on frame), so after some ideas on a cheap frame - new or potential options for 2nd hand.
been years sinces i've looked at hardtails so no idea whats around or any good these days. happy with alu or steel and will prob stick to 26 wheels (chuckable still and likely to get other parts cheaper), although not ruled out the 29 or 27.5 options. like the look of the SC chameleon but out of my budget new.
any idea appreaciated
been years sinces i've looked at hardtails so no idea whats around or any good these days. happy with alu or steel and will prob stick to 26 wheels (chuckable still and likely to get other parts cheaper), although not ruled out the 29 or 27.5 options. like the look of the SC chameleon but out of my budget new.
any idea appreaciated
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dartmoor hornet0
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On One 456 they often have the Carbon version on sale for £250.0
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The above. Absurdly low price for what you get.0
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The c456 is £400 at the mo? I've never seen it at £250 but if it does drop to that then, yes, absurdly low price for what you get.
Hornet is £190 - below your budget!
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Id take a hornet over a c456. You can get them for as little as 160 yoyos.A Flock of Birds
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benpinnick wrote:Id take a hornet over a c456. You can get them for as little as 160 yoyos.
what's your reasoning for choosing the hornet over the on one?jairaj wrote:On One 456 they often have the Carbon version on sale for £250.
they look awesome, however are £400? was £250 just a one off price or do they occasionally drop them down and have to keep eyes peeled?
the 456 evo in steel look good as well at £200, almost too slack!
any other ideas, or are these the cream of the crop at this price point?
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The 456 carbon frame price changes all the time - at 3.3lbs I'd guess it 2lbs lighter than anything else at this money.0
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supersonic wrote:The 456 carbon frame price changes all the time - at 3.3lbs I'd guess it 2lbs lighter than anything else at this money.
even at £400 it seems remarkably good value for money, just a little out of budget. guess i better save a few more pennies and get ready to strike while the irons hot
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What the heck is an aggresive frame? Is that where you go around shouting at everyone else on the trail and barging past?0
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bennett_346 wrote:What the heck is an aggresive frame? Is that where you go around shouting at everyone else on the trail and barging past?
as in a little more capable than your typical xc frame. my main bike is a carbon nomad, so looking for something lighter, simpler but still able to give it some stick down techier trails
anyhow, surely the behavior you describe would be a pig ignorant frame?0 -
Sofaboy, I found the c456 ride to be quite jarring, which robs confidence. I just prefer the dartmoor's ride, and as its half the price I know what I would want. Oh, and the c456 is fugly too. Not saying its a bad bike, it's not, it's just not as good as a dartmoor.A Flock of Birds
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How much does the frame weigh? It looks like a tank lol, I'd be suprised if there is more give than a 456!0
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It's certainly heavy set, but makes for a really good hardcore trail bike. Very underrated I reckon.A Flock of Birds
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Any idea on angles? Looks slacker than a whore's knickers!
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67.5@150mmA Flock of Birds
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Head or seat?0
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I've been through the same thought process and bike build.
As a second bike I wanted a HT that would flatter the terrain and ride like my old Zaskar LE (from 1999).
A tough choice (as Supersonic will no doubt remember from my questioning about many different frames
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Initially I went for a Ragley Piglet with 115mm forks.
Rode well down but suffered with floppy steering for my liking - and was heavy.
Then went to an On One scandal which rode very nicely up hill and through singletrack, but was a little stressed going down with 100mm forks and quite a skitty front end.
Now I have a carbon 456 with 140mm Revelation 426 forks and find the ride superb.
With a 70mm stem and 700mm bars it goes up quickly and battles through downhills almost as fast as my FS.
I don't notice the slack ish head angle and some would say un needed extra travel up front - yet do think I've found the frame for me.
On the whole I get the steel feel of erm.... steel frames, but they also feel dead and frankly heavy.
The C456 gives a similar feel but without the weight, which is a bonus in my book.
I did get my frame S'hand though, and at £200 it's about right.
I wouldn't want to spend £400 on it, even if it is arguably worth the money.
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Head. Seat is 69.5.A Flock of Birds
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Voodoo wanga
Production privee
Orange Crush
Ragley piglet
On-one 456
Cotic Soul
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ermm most of those are over the £250 budget the OP has.
By Production Privee I guess you mean their Shaun frame? That's over £500 and haven't seen any second hand.
I wouldn't consider the Cotic Soul as an aggressive HT the Cotic BFe would be better suited. Similar angles but the BFe is built stronger. Again you'd be looking at second hand for your budget but they do pop up from time to time.
Also have a look at the Blue pig it is supposed to be the harder hitting version, the Piglet is supposed to be their XC/trail frame but both are on the slack side so either could be considered. Brand new a little bit over budget but again see these pop up on the 2nd hand market a bit.
I rode with a C456 for a while, saw it on offer at £250 and just took a punt. upgraded to a full suss now so the C456 has moved on to my friend. Its got a pretty slack head angle so made descending really fun. Nice long top tube so plenty of breathing space and allows you to use a short stem with out being cramped. I didn't find it amazing in the air maybe due to that slack angle and long tube but also because I'm not very good in the air :-) Not the most compliant rear end, its not as nice as my old Saracen Zen 631 but its also not the worst. I found it fine even on epic rides in the Peak district. The steel version is pretty rigid though.0 -
I have a chameleon frame for sale well within your budget0
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supersonic wrote:Any idea on angles? Looks slacker than a whore's knickers!
You've picked a picture here that somehow exagerates the slackness. Do a google search and look at others, also - that frame is the largest you can get.
It is surprisingly light. Havn't weighed it and probally never will. Lighter then a Bfe I reckon with similar capabilities0 -
Those are really long forks (160 probably) and the bike is leaning which makes it look slacker.A Flock of Birds
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