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Can't open the link, I'm at work, but It's always been a lottery. You get some targeting it, then sometimes it happens to fall on someones shoulders and they try and defend it. I'd go for the pin method.
Remember Bernie Kohl.......0 -
I think an AG2R rider..but they havent all been announced yet ! Dupont might be a bit on the old side now - but someone like him0
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Wout Poels has mentioned he wanted to specifically target it - not sure he has completely regained his form and climbing abilities yet after last year's bad crash0
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Almost impossible to predict.
But I'll predict Nieve.0 -
They need to re-jig this competition fast ... It's now become a breakaway prize ...
My suggestion would be only offer points on the last 2 mountains on each stage, and then only if they are 1st Cat. or HC mountains ...
Breakaways will always go up the road so won't stifle the early part of any stage ... Anyone wanting KoM points will have to break free of the leaders to win the points, thus creating some actual racing and pockets of riders with something to race for which in turn increases the opportunities for attacks by the race leaders ... One team can control 3 or 4 other GC contenders but not so easy to control everyone aiming for a stage win and/or KoM points ... With riders up the road the GC guys can ride knowing they have a chance of forming alliances on the way up the mountain to try and break any team closing down the race ... The reason we don't get that now is that the KoM contenders are the same as the breakaway contenders and they are knackered by the time it gets to the tasty part of the stage ...
I'm sure there are better ideas but the KoM is currently the antithesis of the Green Jersey competition (where success rather than mediocrity wins the prize) ...0 -
50 pts for an HC MTF makes things a little less of a lottery than a few years ago. Yes, Voeckler won it from breaks last year, but he's a pretty special breakaway rider who can climb very well. I'd go for someone like Quintana this year.0
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To be fair, the last couple of years the winners have on the whole been good climbers or high up on GC: Voeckler, Sammy Sanchez, Pellizotti, Kohl, Rasmussen, Virenque. Charteau was a bit of a blip, but I don't think ASO will change it radically. They need break aways, and it's a competition French riders can actually win...Crankbrother wrote:I'm sure there are better ideas but the KoM is currently the antithesis of the Green Jersey competition (where success rather than mediocrity wins the prize) ...0 -
Crankbrother wrote:I'm sure there are better ideas but the KoM is currently the antithesis of the Green Jersey competition (where success rather than mediocrity wins the prize) ...
Depends on your definition of success...finish fourth a lot and you'll win the green jersey.0 -
I may have a little punt on Dan Martin at some stage if Ryder is falling out of GC contention.0
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Kessiakoff.0
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I think Quintana is too much of a threat for him to win this, teams won't allow him in breakaways, and I doubt he will want to be in many random ones if he thinks he can perform well overall.Abdoujaparov wrote:50 pts for an HC MTF makes things a little less of a lottery than a few years ago. Yes, Voeckler won it from breaks last year, but he's a pretty special breakaway rider who can climb very well. I'd go for someone like Quintana this year.
Kessiakoff could be a good shout, especially as his team don't really have any GC hopes. Could also see a Vacansoleil rider having a bash.http://www.snookcycling.wordpress.com - Reports on Cingles du Mont Ventoux, Alpe D'Huez, Galibier, Izoard, Tourmalet, Paris-Roubaix Sportive & Tour of Flanders Sportive, Amstel Gold Xperience, Vosges, C2C, WOTR routes....0 -
Shrek at 28s may be worth a puntWhen a true genius appears in this world, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift0
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FJS wrote:
To be fair, the last couple of years the winners have on the whole been good climbers or high up on GC: Voeckler, Sammy Sanchez, Pellizotti, Kohl, Rasmussen, Virenque. Charteau was a bit of a blip, but I don't think ASO will change it radically. They need break aways, and it's a competition French riders can actually win...Crankbrother wrote:I'm sure there are better ideas but the KoM is currently the antithesis of the Green Jersey competition (where success rather than mediocrity wins the prize) ...
That tells it's own story about what is needed to do well in the Mountains consistently- Virenque, Kohl and Rasmussen!0 -
Pierre Rolland leading the KOM classification is a mixed blessing. On the one hand, it is good to see a recognised high-mountains specialist in the spotted jersey, on the other hand, polka-dot shorts are a big no-no!
It is such a shame too, as his standard shorts are black and would look the business with the polka-dot jersey.
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Dolan Driver wrote:Pierre Rolland leading the KOM classification is a mixed blessing. On the one hand, it is good to see a recognised high-mountains specialist in the spotted jersey, on the other hand, polka-dot shorts are a big no-no! It is such a shame too, as his standard shorts are black and would look the business with the polka-dot jersey.
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The shorts have the same unfortunately placed spots as Voeckler's last year. It's too early to go for full on polka dot helmet, shorts etc in my opinion, looks a bit naffLutherB wrote:Dolan Driver wrote:Pierre Rolland leading the KOM classification is a mixed blessing. On the one hand, it is good to see a recognised high-mountains specialist in the spotted jersey, on the other hand, polka-dot shorts are a big no-no! It is such a shame too, as his standard shorts are black and would look the business with the polka-dot jersey.
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Completely agree. Personally I prefer riders to wear their standard kit with a classification jersey until they're certain of winning (Nibs at the Giro springs to mind). Even then full polka dot looks a bit silly, but if you've just become KOM at the Tour you've probably earned the right to enjoy yourself as much as you possibly can.0
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Well it looks suspiciously like Rolland and Clarke are going for it currently...not seen much from the other big names yet0
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There's a lot of big mountain top finishes this year and they have double points, so it's quite possible someone like Froome may win it as a by-product of a GC charge.Joelsim wrote:Well it looks suspiciously like Rolland and Clarke are going for it currently...not seen much from the other big names yetTwitter: @RichN950 -
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There's a lot of big mountain top finishes this year and they have double points, so it's quite possible someone like Froome may win it as a by-product of a GC charge.Joelsim wrote:Well it looks suspiciously like Rolland and Clarke are going for it currently...not seen much from the other big names yet
True, but he'd have to go out on a limb and with GC contention after his time trial expected leads, I would be surprised unless he really is very confident. Having said that TvG may be good in the TTs and mountains too so maybe Froome may need to.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
There's a lot of big mountain top finishes this year and they have double points, so it's quite possible someone like Froome may win it as a by-product of a GC charge.Joelsim wrote:Well it looks suspiciously like Rolland and Clarke are going for it currently...not seen much from the other big names yet
Exhibit A M'lud, last years track champ KOM..... For the first few days anyway - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mørkøv - finished 27th.
However, not sure why Rolland would have a concerted go for it today (and yesterday), when he could be a GC possibility, unless he's just after stages or KOM points/getting Europcar in the shop window.0 -
hammerite wrote:RichN95 wrote:
There's a lot of big mountain top finishes this year and they have double points, so it's quite possible someone like Froome may win it as a by-product of a GC charge.Joelsim wrote:Well it looks suspiciously like Rolland and Clarke are going for it currently...not seen much from the other big names yet
Exhibit A M'lud, last years track champ KOM..... For the first few days anyway - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mørkøv - finished 27th.
However, not sure why Rolland would have a concerted go for it today (and yesterday), when he could be a GC possibility, unless he's just after stages or KOM points/getting Europcar in the shop window.
He may realise that he hasn't got a chance of the GC so next best thing, he really looked like he wanted it today, as did Clarke. No-one else has really shown anything yet as they still have GC contenders to support.0 -
gpreeves wrote:Completely agree. Personally I prefer riders to wear their standard kit with a classification jersey until they're certain of winning (Nibs at the Giro springs to mind). Even then full polka dot looks a bit silly, but if you've just become KOM at the Tour you've probably earned the right to enjoy yourself as much as you possibly can.
Exactly this, i thought Nibali was quite classy for not going all Pink until the end of the race. I suppose it depends if you are a serious GC contender or not. Kittel will probably never get the chance again so had yellow everything. If Froome/Contador/Evans whoever go all yellow straight away I'd be surprised.0 -
Good early call. It looks to be between Froome and Quintana which is a shame as neither is targeting it and we're denied a race for the jersey. Riblon who is up to third and will wear it tomorrow, may think about going for it but is unlikely to be at the pointy end on stage 20 when there will again be massive points available.RichN95 wrote:
There's a lot of big mountain top finishes this year and they have double points, so it's quite possible someone like Froome may win it as a by-product of a GC charge.Joelsim wrote:Well it looks suspiciously like Rolland and Clarke are going for it currently...not seen much from the other big names yet0 -
Froome has a small lead over Quintana in the Polka-Dot Jersey competition, 104 to 97. Riblon is now on 77 points. Could Riblon go on the attack again and gain enough points to win this jersey? It would be great to see him win this jersey.
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It is conceivable that Riblon could do it but highly unlikely. Even if he went on the attack tomorrow and got the points at the top of the two early HCs, any gains he made would almost certainly be wiped out on Saturday with the double points on offer at the finish.Dolan Driver wrote:Froome has a small lead over Quintana in the Polka-Dot Jersey competition, 104 to 97. Riblon is now on 77 points. Could Riblon go on the attack again and gain enough points to win this jersey? It would be great to see him win this jersey.
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It looks like Riblon is out of the reckoning for the polka-dot jersey. Quintana sprinted for the line on the last climb so maybe he has ambitions for this competition. If Quintana wins the stage with a good time gap tomorrow, he could go second on GC and take the climber's prize. Rolland is still in the mix too. Froome could well show some interest in this jersey too. Looks like a big day tomorrow for this competition.
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