Why are riders so against change?

felix.london

Chunkers1980 wrote:

Change or not as you want.

Good point sheeps, 1997 - 2005 saw much more actual development than 2005 to now in my eyes

Agreed. And that's why I ride a 2006 Rockhopper - the pinnacle of technology...it was all downhill after that

mrmonkfinger

lawman wrote:

I see any improvements as a good thing

Change don't not always equals improvements, son.

lawman

mrmonkfinger wrote:

lawman wrote:

I see any improvements as a good thing

Change don't not always equals improvements, son.

Didn't say it did. There are some changes that bring genuine improvements, however slight. Just an example, 142 and 157 rear axles are the same width as 135 and 150, but the frame has indents for the hub end caps to sit in, making wheel installation much easier, like wise for 15mm, the extra 10mm allows the wheel in sit place than just fall through without the axle in place. Small details but its a small improvement over previous designs in the sense of ease of use. Of course those of you still 100 year old QR skewers wouldn't know about this...

bennett_346

You need to get out more lol

supersonic

QR is sooo taxing...

EH_Rob

I'm probably not adding anything new but never mind.

I don't think people are against change per se, I'm not. But what I am completely against is a load of aggressively marketed rubbish aimed at getting me to spend money that I don't need to spend.

A good example of this would be Fox CTD, which in my opinion is about as cutting edge as a typewriter. Or a kiwi fruit.

The Rookie

Actually I can see the benefit of CTD....

Many people can't set up suspension, the latest wiz bang adjustable every which way suspension is no damn good if it's set up really badly, so CTD is a fix and a valid one if it allows more people to get more from their suspension more of the time.

Hardly new though, my sons 2006 Scott has open, pedal and lockout functions on the shock which in reality work pretty much the same way!

felix.london wrote:

that's why I ride a 2006 Rockhopper - the pinnacle of technology...

I'll see your Rockhopper and raise you a 2006 Carrera Kraken, which I know is about as standard as your 'hopper.....like not at all!

bennett_346

The Beginner wrote:

Hardly new though, my sons 2006 Scott has open, pedal and lockout functions on the shock which in reality work pretty much the same way!

Don't say that, Lawman will be round your house with a machete!

felix.london

The Beginner wrote:

felix.london wrote:

that's why I ride a 2006 Rockhopper - the pinnacle of technology...

I'll see your Rockhopper and raise you a 2006 Carrera Kraken, which I know is about as standard as your 'hopper.....like not at all!

The paint is still original!...but not for long

paul.skibum

I'm not against change if someone is going to give me the stuff but if I have to buy it I probably just wont!

Seriously though, if I were in the mood and market for a new bike which I was going to be this year but looks like it will wait until next now, I'd be checking out the current and accepted standards to try to future proof a purchase. I would be willing to try a 650B but likely would want to stick to 26er but things like wider bolt through rears and forsk and 1x10 and so on would be on my list of possibles (not least because they all appear on the Mega TR which I definitely like the sound of!)

I object to a manufacturer arbitrarily going for something new and then trying to make it a Standard though - surely each manufacturer needs to be involved in some standrads thinking otherwise its just one mans view.

bluechair84

Future proof is just another marketing term which suggests the bike you're buying is more worth your money. If a bike was future proof, no one would buy new bikes in the future. Manufacturers would go out of business, unless of course the invent new standards that render 'the future' obsolete. This is of course the future we live in.

Jolly Swagman

I'll have a pint of what you're drinking !

b45her

The Beginner wrote:

Actually I can see the benefit of CTD....

Many people can't set up suspension, the latest wiz bang adjustable every which way suspension is no damn good if it's set up really badly, so CTD is a fix and a valid one if it allows more people to get more from their suspension more of the time.

Hardly new though, my sons 2006 Scott has open, pedal and lockout functions on the shock which in reality work pretty much the same way!

felix.london wrote:

that's why I ride a 2006 Rockhopper - the pinnacle of technology...

I'll see your Rockhopper and raise you a 2006 Carrera Kraken, which I know is about as standard as your 'hopper.....like not at all!

CTD isn't new at all, before the rp23 the shock to have was called an rp3 which had a lever for open/mild propedal/full propedal. sound familiar?
fox probably just found a few thousand of them lying around and put different stickers on the things.

The Rookie

felix.london wrote:

The Beginner wrote:

felix.london wrote:

that's why I ride a 2006 Rockhopper - the pinnacle of technology...

I'll see your Rockhopper and raise you a 2006 Carrera Kraken, which I know is about as standard as your 'hopper.....like not at all!

The paint is still original!...but not for long

Mine isn't!