What hubs for race wheel build
colm_gti
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Looking for advice on hubs for a race wheel build.
I currently have aksiums and handbuilt 32/32h shimano 105 wheels for training on, and PRO RC50 (20/24 50mm carbon tubular rims on ultegra hubs) for racing on, but want to pick up a set of reasonably cheap racing clinchers (c£300).
I've a few options with regard to hubs, and want to hear your opinion as to whats best, I'm not to fussed about spoke count, stiffness is a priority, and ideally something faster than aksiums. I'll be getting a local wheel builder to build them up for me, probably on cxp33 or open pro rims with DT Swiss competition spokes.
Ultegra 6700
Dura Ace 7900
Novatec 171/172
Novatec 291/482
Hope Pro3
Anything else?
I currently have aksiums and handbuilt 32/32h shimano 105 wheels for training on, and PRO RC50 (20/24 50mm carbon tubular rims on ultegra hubs) for racing on, but want to pick up a set of reasonably cheap racing clinchers (c£300).
I've a few options with regard to hubs, and want to hear your opinion as to whats best, I'm not to fussed about spoke count, stiffness is a priority, and ideally something faster than aksiums. I'll be getting a local wheel builder to build them up for me, probably on cxp33 or open pro rims with DT Swiss competition spokes.
Ultegra 6700
Dura Ace 7900
Novatec 171/172
Novatec 291/482
Hope Pro3
Anything else?
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For bracing angles in order of stiffness
1)DA 7800 hubs weight unknown bt ~400g/pair
2) Shimano 6700/5700 weight 500g/pair
3) Novatec A291/F482 weight 325g/pair bearing life O.K if you avoid filthy conditions
4) Miche Primto or Racing box 435g/pair and excellent bearing life and proper preload adjustment.
Hope pro3 DA 7900 and others are all worse for bracing angles and therefore wheel stiffness.
Also consider the H plus Archetype rim, similar weight to the CXP33 and a better rim (I love the archetype). There is also the Velocity deep V for a 30mm deep rim and if you do not mind the weight there is the DT Swiss RR585 for a very stiff wheelset.
For a very stiff wheelset 24F/28R DT Swiss RR585 with Miche Primato hubs and Sapim Race/DT comp spokes. You could use Sapim Lasers/DT Revs all round if you want to save weight. It won'r be light but it will be very stiff. To save more weight use the Archetye rim but it won't be as stiff bt it will be stiff enough. The Kinlin XR-300 is a lightweight stiff rim, some do not like it due to "poor quality" but having bilt with them I have found they build a decent wheel.
For spokes Sapims are a good alterntive to DT Swiss bt it will depend on what your bilder uses. I use Sapim and keep such a large stock that supply is never an issue. 24/28 with the archetype is fine for powerfl 80 kg riders escpecially if these are race wheels. Try Sapim Laser/DT Revs on the front and NDS rear and Sapim Race/DT Comps on the DS rear. This keeps the weight down and help rear stiffness.
Sorry if this rambles a bit but there so many options and like talking wheels.
Local wheelbuilder uses DT Swiss Competition spokes and has them on the shelf, which is why I was going to opt for these.
He also stocks Open Pro's, but would build up wheels with any rims as long as I supply them.
With regard to hubs, I was only looking at DA7800's as a brand new 32h pair built with open pros popped up for good money locally, but they're now sold. 6700 are a more realistic price. Though a pair of wheels built on DA7700 hubs but needing new rims have just popped up for buttons, can you comment on 7700 hubs? Would I be better off opting for a new pair of hubs?
The Novate A291/F482 hubs may have a short bearing life for some I seem to get may miles out of them. I do not use them in filthy conditions. Also the A291 front hub is available in 28H drillings. For racing only and if you plan to use a shallow rim I would use a Kinli XR-200. I know ugo does not like them but I have had good experieneces with them and they build a decent even tensioned wheel. I use a set 28D/28R weight ust 1362g with Novatec hubs, Laser spokes and alloy nipples. I weigh 81kg now and I have put over 1000 miles on them now and not had ay issues. I will be using them for racing come May 5th and later on this year in the Eastern Road league. They even are quite stiff. I kick out 1kW now peak power and run my pads close and even when sprinting I suffer no brake rub so the flex must be minimal although brake rub is not a good way of assessing lateral wheel stiffness.
These wheel may not last 20,000 miles but they where not built for that.
The Velocity A23 or the H Plus Son Archetype rims (the later being very stiff) are available in 20 and 24H drillings. The Archetype in this drilling with Novatec hubs and Laser spokes (or CX-ray) would make good rae wheels, they may not be the most durable but they ould be rebuilt after a season to stop the spokes going ping. There are so many options out there beyond Open Pro rims.
Your weight ad power output will determine what will work best.
So the Novatec 171/172 pair appear to offer the best value for money; large flange PCD (larger than the 291/482 hubs), easily serviced etc., right? The 291/482's appear to have a slightly wider rear hub body (7mm), would this make any difference? Not too bothered by the limited spoke count availability, was going to go for higher spoke counts anyway. They are about 80-100g per pair heavier than the 291/482, probably barely noticeable at the hubs?
Probably will go for archetypes alright, they do look nice...
Maybe 24 DT Swiss Aerolites on the front to save some weight and 28 DT Swiss Competitions on the rear.
Would like to hear the expert opinions before I order the parts...
Use Sapim Laser spokes on the front and Sapim Laser spokes NDS and Sapim Race spokes DS. With the archetype rim and A291/F482 hubs or A171/F172 hubs, this wheelset will be plenty stiff for you.
I can get kinlin xr240, xr270 and xr300 rims quite cheap, can you comment on the quality of any of them?
Hoping to order the rims and hubs today.
I have stopped using the 291/482 combos as I am a bit fed up of replacing bearings TBH... there is no reason whatsover to use them over the 171/172, unless you want a 20/24 combo or you want to hit some weight target.
Kinlin rims are OK for racing, they are not the most durable rims, as proved by the frequent cracks in Planet X model B wheels, but if you are not planning to run 10,000 miles on them they will be just fine... worst for worst you can fit some rim washers and avoid the problem altogether.
Yeah, like these
http://paolocoppo.drupalgardens.com/med ... ail/16/281
Haha that's them exactly!!
Though I am still wavering between the kinlins and just coughing up the extra few quid for velocity A23's...
I'm told there is roughly 5000km on them, and they're straight as an arrow, built locally.
Now, I'm torn between going for the Novatec/Velocity combo, or taking the above, riding them for this season, then having them built on nicer rims at a later date....opinions?
My problem is its a mind field, I imagine if built well handbuilts will w much better and last longer but it also makes things more complicated for someone fairly inexperienced like myself with a seemingly endless list of options!
So I suppose my questions is can I get something that fits a similar bill to the rs80s in terms of weight, strength and looks for the same kind of price and durability?
I mainly ride hilly routes and do triathlons up to half iron distance. Also doing coast to coast this year. Have a set of stock wheels at the moment which I will probably keep for when the weather is really censored . I'm about 80-85kg and tend to be more of a masher than a spinner if that makes any difference? Advice very much welcomed.