If North Korea go to war
DonDaddyD
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If North Korea goes to war with South Korea and America will it destablise the economy in the East and inadvertently trigger a recovery in the West?
War is a terrible thing, however, it looks like North Korea want to go to war irrespective of the intentions of any other Country. So if it does happen clearly there will be dreadful loses, but, are there any gains?
I could see Japan, Russia and China getting involved. I hope England stays out of it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21999193
War is a terrible thing, however, it looks like North Korea want to go to war irrespective of the intentions of any other Country. So if it does happen clearly there will be dreadful loses, but, are there any gains?
I could see Japan, Russia and China getting involved. I hope England stays out of it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21999193
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Without wishing to sound pedantic, but haven't the Koreas been at war for decades now? I thought the present situation was 'just' a cease-fire.
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I don't think North Korea have any intention of going to war; most of this posturing is intended for an internal audience.DonDaddyD wrote:War is a terrible thing, however, it looks like North Korea want to go to war irrespective of the intentions of any other Country.
If they did go to war, I wonder whether it would actually be a good thing for the North Korean people? Assuming the US were involved (which would be almost inevitable), their military capability would most likely give them the ability to take out the country's leadership and neutralise its military forces with very low collateral damage. They'd then make sure a government was put in place which did rather more for its people than the current one. In any case, taking North Korea to war would be tantamount to suicide for the ruling elite...Pannier, 120rpm.0 -
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Unless the North Korean's go nuclear.
I think people might struggle to see the long-term "good thing" if the peninsular disappears under a mushroom cloud...
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Why won't it happen, the rhetoric and actions from North Korea have continually escalated the situation. How unlikely is it that they ignore the UN, the treaty, the sanctions and China and launch a 'devasating' pre-emptive attack?Rick Chasey wrote:Won't happen.Food Chain number = 4
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Because the whole purpose of all this posturing is to bolster the regime governing North Korea; any attack big enough to be described as "devastating", including any attempted use of nuclear weapons, would invoke sufficient retaliation to ensure the end of that regime.DonDaddyD wrote:
Why won't it happen, the rhetoric and actions from North Korea have continually escalated the situation. How unlikely is it that they ignore the UN, the treaty, the sanctions and China and launch a 'devasating' pre-emptive attack?Rick Chasey wrote:Won't happen.Pannier, 120rpm.0 -
We know that and I think Kim Jong il knew that.TGOTB wrote:In any case, taking North Korea to war would be tantamount to suicide for the ruling elite...
However, this new generation have been programmed to believe the properganda whereas the previous generation knew created it it and knew it was largely fake.Food Chain number = 4
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Why would they go to the trouble of developing nuclear weapons, turning on nuclear power plants and test ICBMs when they know they are going to incur further UN sanctions? They could just produce fake information about nuclear testing in news reports, they've done it before. Also does the regime really need further bolstering? I thought it pretty secure.TGOTB wrote:
Because the whole purpose of all this posturing is to bolster the regime governing North Korea; any attack big enough to be described as "devastating", including any attempted use of nuclear weapons, would invoke sufficient retaliation to ensure the end of that regime.DonDaddyD wrote:
Why won't it happen, the rhetoric and actions from North Korea have continually escalated the situation. How unlikely is it that they ignore the UN, the treaty, the sanctions and China and launch a 'devasating' pre-emptive attack?Rick Chasey wrote:Won't happen.Food Chain number = 4
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America will wipe the ruling elite of the face of the planet before it could escalate into anything to serious. Strategic strikes would be the name of the game.
China see N korea as a pain in the backside and would make noises in public but in private would be glad to finally have this madcap dictatorship of their hands. So I heard on Radio5!0 -
Follow the money. If you look at who has an interest in a war between North & South Korea, clearly this is being stoked up by Apple.0
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DonDaddyD wrote:
Why won't it happen, the rhetoric and actions from North Korea have continually escalated the situation. How unlikely is it that they ignore the UN, the treaty, the sanctions and China and launch a 'devasating' pre-emptive attack?Rick Chasey wrote:Won't happen.
They do this every 5-10years.
There is no realistic positive outcome for North Korea if they go to war. At all.0 -
I don't know, I get the impression that China might defend North Korea out of honour or something.Gazzaputt wrote:China see N korea as a pain in the backside and would make noises in public but in private would be glad to finally have this madcap dictatorship of their hands. So I heard on Radio5!Food Chain number = 4
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I don't know, I get the impression that China might defend North Korea out of honour or something.Gazzaputt wrote:China see N korea as a pain in the backside and would make noises in public but in private would be glad to finally have this madcap dictatorship of their hands. So I heard on Radio5!
Out of honour? What would they be honouring?Ben
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DonDaddyD wrote:
I don't know, I get the impression that China might defend North Korea out of honour or something.Gazzaputt wrote:China see N korea as a pain in the backside and would make noises in public but in private would be glad to finally have this madcap dictatorship of their hands. So I heard on Radio5!
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China wants a slightly bonkers but not too reckless North Korea in place. It distracts the world from their own human rights record.0
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Not likely. It's posturing from the little fat fella.FCN 2-4.
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DonDaddyD wrote:If North Korea goes to war with South Korea and America will it destablise the economy in the East and inadvertently trigger a recovery in the West?
War is a terrible thing, however, it looks like North Korea want to go to war irrespective of the intentions of any other Country. So if it does happen clearly there will be dreadful loses, but, are there any gains?
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I don't think it'll go to war, maybe Kim Whatshisname would be mad enough, but I reckon the Generals would quietly bump him offfor the simple raeson they have to know they cannot win. They may have nuclear weapons, they may have delivery systems, but getting the two to work together is much harder than sending a box of radios into orbit or blowing up an inderground cavern. China won't get involved because they're making a fortune from the west.
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China doesn't want N.Korea to go to war, if it did then China would have to deal with refugees who are already starving. I think this is in part why China supports N.Korea. Also China probably doesn't want a US run country (the US would put in their own hand picked leader after toppling the Kim regime) so close to its border.
My belife is that China likes N.Korea where it is and has the most to lose financially from a War in its region. At the same time the West has the most gain...Food Chain number = 4
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I'm not the West (the US) has anything to gain. Remember Iraq? The idea was to topple Saddam and an eternally grateful population would then decide they want to be a democracy with plasma TVs, Coca-Cola etc. It didn't quite work out that way, and the US would be very wary of trying regime change again.
It probably suits all parties to have NK as they are. Better the devil you know, and all that.Ecrasez l’infame0 -
A lot of reasonable answers up there but people forget that it only requires an instant of madness from Kim-Jong Un for something bad to happen. Lets not forget how the first world war started or the madman in charge of Germany in the second.x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
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If there is a War in the East then those incredibly strong Eastern currencies will start to faulter and Western currencies will been as more valuable. All I'm saying is that Un Kim-Jong may actually help end the global recession and save our economy...Food Chain number = 4
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Still think the North is just postering: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22011207
Baiting is more like it.Food Chain number = 4
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Those "incredibly strong Eastern" economies are export-oriented; if their currency weakens, it's good for them!DonDaddyD wrote:If there is a War in the East then those incredibly strong Eastern currencies will start to faulter and Western currencies will been as more valuable. All I'm saying is that Un Kim-Jong may actually help end the global recession and save our economy...
War will not save the UK (or any other country's) economy - it's the classic example of the broken window fallacy.
There's nothing good to be said about North Korea nor about war with them. The best option would be for them to voluntarily reform along the lines of China, but how likely that is is a mystery. It's awful that the mass-murderers there will not be tried and will likely continue doing what they're doing, but losing Seoul to artillery and possible nuclear attack simply isn't worth it. Containment appears to be the least bad option.0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:
We know that and I think Kim Jong il knew that.TGOTB wrote:In any case, taking North Korea to war would be tantamount to suicide for the ruling elite...
However, this new generation have been programmed to believe the properganda whereas the previous generation knew created it it and knew it was largely fake.
^^ This ^^
Kim Jong Un and Kim Jong Il were (are) both properly batshit mad, but Kim Jong Il at least knew that he'd been very clever to create his demi-God stated, and enjoyed it by drinking £450,000 of cognac every year, watching movies, playing golf for the first (and last) time shooting 38 under par including 11 holes in 1, and looking at stuff http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/
Whereas the younger is bathsit mad, and not old enough to remember that he's batshit mad. He thinks he's the son of a God, who could control the weather with his moods. He is in fact a dangerous son of a bitch with probably inherited violent tendencies and a point to prove.
I could see it properly kicking off!0 -
I'm torn on this one. Part of me says it's the same old cr@p again, designed to extract more concessions/aid. Part of me says the the new fat boy on the block is different from the last two and might actually do something really stupid. He's done all the rhetorc he can - I'm not sure how he can up it any further without actually kicking something off.
One thing though - I don't see how any war on the peninsula can be good for the Western economy. Apart from the fact that we sell to the region and have sizeable investments there, the fear factor if there is war will just cause more decline globally IMO.
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Friend of mine taught English at the very first English school established there by the British Council. The BC was asked to establish the school (before any American etc groups) in close association with the North Korean authorities, this was back in 2001 - 2003. The stories she came back with were astounding. Clearly she wasn't teaching the average bod on the street in N Korea, she was only allowed to associate with members of the ruling classes.
It was amazing how little even these better off people knew about life in the west. She told us she was asked very strange questions, for example, whether she had ever watched Beethoven in concert, whether she went to Paris during the season to shop for clothes and how many servants she had. Her students had clearly been taught very 19th century views of decadent western culture and knew no different.
Another amusing thing she told was that when she tried to do class activities whereby the students had to get into groups of 3 or 4 or whatever and then come up with a plan/role play or something they would simply stare at her blankly. North Koreans are simply not used to making any decisions themselves, the state decides everything for you, from where you are born, to where you live, to how you are educated, to where you work etc etc. Nothing is left to the individual and when faced with having to make decisions themselves, the students were utterly confused, it's just not something they ever have to do.
They also regularly tapped her phone and went to her flat to see what she had been up to when she was at work. She said they made no secret of this, she said she would occasionally be able to phone her mum and she could hear someone breathing or coughing in the background. She would regularly get back from work to find her stuff had been moved around and looked through. One time she said she got out of the shower having returned from work early to find some guy staring at her before running out of the flat!
Back to recent events, there was some guy on TV earlier in the week saying that he believed recent North Korean retoric is mostly hype and bluster, however if they go as far as closing the North Korean enclave where South Koreans work, things would definitely be getting more serious... Now they've done that! One step closer to conflict?Do not write below this line. Office use only.0 -
corriebee1 wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:
We know that and I think Kim Jong il knew that.TGOTB wrote:In any case, taking North Korea to war would be tantamount to suicide for the ruling elite...
However, this new generation have been programmed to believe the properganda whereas the previous generation knew created it it and knew it was largely fake.
^^ This ^^
Kim Jong Un and Kim Jong Il were (are) both properly batshit mad, but Kim Jong Il at least knew that he'd been very clever to create his demi-God stated, and enjoyed it by drinking £450,000 of cognac every year, watching movies, playing golf for the first (and last) time shooting 38 under par including 11 holes in 1, and looking at stuff http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/
Whereas the younger is bathsit mad, and not old enough to remember that he's batshit mad. He thinks he's the son of a God, who could control the weather with his moods. He is in fact a dangerous son of a ***** with probably inherited violent tendencies and a point to prove.
I could see it properly kicking off!
There's a lot of debate as to whether the new leader and even the last one is/was actually in control of North Korea or whether they are simply figureheads designed to perpetuate the Kim Jong Il "brand" and whether in fact North Korea is ruled by a military junta....Do not write below this line. Office use only.0
