Boonen & Cancellara

milton50
milton50 Posts: 3,856
edited April 2017 in Pro race
Simple poll. Boonen and Cancellara are the two most dominant Ronde Van Vlaanderen and Paris-Roubaix riders of the current generation. But who will have the most combined wins (RVV & PR) by the time both have retired?

Both are aged 32 and after today Boonen currently leads 7-4.

Just to sit on the fence I'll go for a draw. I think Boonen has won his last monument and Cancellara will win three more, including Paris-Roubaix next Sunday.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Boonen.

    Aren't many opportunities left - they're getting on.
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  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,823
    Tommeke will win PR again for my money, just like PVP in 2003
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. So it's Tom.
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  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Figured Boonen would probably get the vote but I'm a bit surprised just what a landslide it is. It's difficult to see past Cancellara winning Ronde several times more after yesterday's performance.
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Milton50 wrote:
    Figured Boonen would probably get the vote but I'm a bit surprised just what a landslide it is. It's difficult to see past Cancellara winning Ronde several times more after yesterday's performance.

    That assumes the course stays as it is. For whatever reason if the last climb ends up further back in future courses then he might not be so dominant.
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    Milton50 wrote:
    Figured Boonen would probably get the vote but I'm a bit surprised just what a landslide it is. It's difficult to see past Cancellara winning Ronde several times more after yesterday's performance.

    That assumes the course stays as it is. For whatever reason if the last climb ends up further back in future courses then he might not be so dominant.
    Or maybe he'll be more dominant given how much time he managed to put into everyone else on the flat yesterday.
  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    but we all thought he would destroy everyone after his 2010 season, he's only got back to something like that form now 3 years on. So its got to be tom
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  • TheStone
    TheStone Posts: 2,291
    It's amazing that Cancellara only had 3 before the weekend.
    He could still do it. Will have a good chance to make it 5 on Sunday.
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  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Boonen's lead narrows again, this time to 7-6. A win for Cancellara next week draws them level. Who would have thought that back in 2012?

    Anyone who voted for Boonen want to change their vote?
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAYKZEuaow
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    I was surprised to hear Boonen on the cycling podcast indicate that he wasn't retiring this year. I had thought he'd be hanging up his shoes this year too. Apparently his presence is also what keeps Peeters as DS for EQS at all Belg races :(
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Weird to think I started this 3 years ago and there's only one race left now. Certainly for Cancellara and likely for Tom as well.

    Cancellara needs 1 to make it a draw. That would be quite fitting wouldn't you say?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    7-6 to Boonen

    No wins for either in 3 years.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Cancellara took longer to really become top top top.

    Boonen was already smashing it in 2005.
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  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Yeh, Cancellara was a time trial specialist for a few years until he realised he was immense at the classics.

    If you include Milan San Remo then it finished 7-7. Which is quite fitting that after 15/16 years they couldn't be separated in terms of monuments.
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    From ProCyclingStats

    http://www.procyclingstats.com/rider.ph ... 750,140846

    Boonen: Pro Wins: 113, GT Wins: 14, Classics: 42
    Cancellara: Pro Wins: 75, GT Wins: 21, Classics: 35

    I reckon Boonen edges it...
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Milton50 wrote:
    Yeh, Cancellara was a time trial specialist for a few years until he realised he was immense at the classics.

    If you include Milan San Remo then it finished 7-7. Which is quite fitting that after 15/16 years they couldn't be separated in terms of monuments.

    in which case you'd have to add the Worlds, no?
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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Milton50 wrote:
    Yeh, Cancellara was a time trial specialist for a few years until he realised he was immense at the classics.

    If you include Milan San Remo then it finished 7-7. Which is quite fitting that after 15/16 years they couldn't be separated in terms of monuments.

    in which case you'd have to add the Worlds, no?

    TTs? :wink:
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Milton50 wrote:
    Yeh, Cancellara was a time trial specialist for a few years until he realised he was immense at the classics.

    If you include Milan San Remo then it finished 7-7. Which is quite fitting that after 15/16 years they couldn't be separated in terms of monuments.

    in which case you'd have to add the Worlds, no?

    Technically not a monument though :P
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    dish_dash wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Milton50 wrote:
    Yeh, Cancellara was a time trial specialist for a few years until he realised he was immense at the classics.

    If you include Milan San Remo then it finished 7-7. Which is quite fitting that after 15/16 years they couldn't be separated in terms of monuments.

    in which case you'd have to add the Worlds, no?

    TTs? :wink:

    Separate category.

    Valid, but separate. Not worth the same as an RR title IMO, but yes, he DOMINATED TTs when he turned his mind to it.

    I hold up the olympics as the perfect example. He decided to forgo the road race and train again for the TT - guess what? He smashed it.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Cyclocosm made a decent point the other day, that it was Boonen & Cancellara that made doing the Flanders Roubaix double normal.

    It's anything but.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Milton50 wrote:
    Yeh, Cancellara was a time trial specialist for a few years until he realised he was immense at the classics.

    If you include Milan San Remo then it finished 7-7. Which is quite fitting that after 15/16 years they couldn't be separated in terms of monuments.

    in which case you'd have to add the Worlds, no?

    TTs? :wink:

    Separate category.

    Valid, but separate. Not worth the same as an RR title IMO, but yes, he DOMINATED TTs when he turned his mind to it.

    I hold up the olympics as the perfect example. He decided to forgo the road race and train again for the TT - guess what? He smashed it.

    Had the Olympic RR 2012 in his grasp until he went straight on at a corner.

    Is he getting any credit for 'days in yellow'?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Possibly - is often a side effect of his TT talent.

    I don't count the Green Jersey in the battle either as that's not in the overlap in the Boonen/Cancellara ven diagram.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    TailWindHome wrote:
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    Had the Olympic RR 2012 in his grasp until he went straight on at a corner.

    ....even I haven't fallen off there, and i've taken that corner a lot more often than he has.
    _
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    Boonen wins purely on the basis that he didn't try some ridiculous farewell in the Roubaix velodrome...
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    dish_dash wrote:
    Boonen wins purely on the basis that he didn't try some ridiculous farewell in the Roubaix velodrome...

    Word. That was properly naff by Cancellara, and it wasn't even his last race :roll:
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    This seems relevant:

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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,719
    according to CN, Boonen wrote:
    When asked whether he felt disappointed, not taking a lap of honour, Boonen pointed out that he'd been in the spotlight enough during the last few weeks.

    "I did enough laps of honour. Laps of honour are for those who deserved it today. I just came here to take a shower. It's not necessary to make a show of it," Boonen said.

    #Shade #BoonenBurn #Who'sFabNow?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    ddraver wrote:
    according to CN, Boonen wrote:
    When asked whether he felt disappointed, not taking a lap of honour, Boonen pointed out that he'd been in the spotlight enough during the last few weeks.

    "I did enough laps of honour. Laps of honour are for those who deserved it today. I just came here to take a shower. It's not necessary to make a show of it," Boonen said.

    #Shade #BoonenBurn #Who'sFabNow?

    Well in fairness, a) he's Belgian, not Swiss, so they like that kind of stuff and b) it's not like he hasn't had 1 more victory lap than Fabian has anyway.

    For Flandrians, being "humble" is a bigger deal than it is in the UK.

    Won't get any of that "Was beating Tom in 2010 on the Muur your greatest moment?" "Well I don't know, I've had many great moments".
    _
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Many words have been written about Fabs

    Humble and modest are not two of them

    : )

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