Who will Sky send to the Giro? (and the Tour)

tailwindhome

Who do you think will make up the Sky squad for the Giro?

Who do you think will then ride the Tour? (in support of Froome?)

RichN95.

I think the team in Catalunya at the moment is basically the Giro team (but with Josh Edmondson playing the part of Joe Dombrowski). Then add Kiriyenka as the ninth man.

Wiggins, Kiryienka and maybe Knees will then go to the Tour and will be joined by Froome, Porte, Sivitsov, EBH, Thomas and maybe Henao or maybe Eisel.

Richmond Racer

Giro:

Wiggins
Uran
Henao
Knees
Cataldo
Lopez
Dombrowski
Kennaugh
Kiryienka


Tour:

Froome
Wiggins
Porte
Eisel
Thomas
Boasson Hagen
Suitsou
Stannard
Pate

inkyfingers

Richmond Racer wrote:

Giro:

Wiggins
Uran
Henao
Knees
Cataldo
Lopez
Dombrowski
Kennaugh
Kiryienka


Tour:

Froome
Wiggins
Porte
Eisel
Thomas
Boasson Hagen
Suitsou
Stannard
Pate

That all makes sense, only change is I can see them not taking Stannard to the Tour, with Thomas, Eisel and EBH they have plenty of muscle for the flat, but who can also help on the lumpier stuff. Can see Lopez doing the Tour after his strong early season

Richmond Racer

inkyfingers wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Giro:

Wiggins
Uran
Henao
Knees
Cataldo
Lopez
Dombrowski
Kennaugh
Kiryienka


Tour:

Froome
Wiggins
Porte
Eisel
Thomas
Boasson Hagen
Suitsou
Stannard
Pate

That all makes sense, only change is I can see them not taking Stannard to the Tour, with Thomas, Eisel and EBH they have plenty of muscle for the flat, but who can also help on the lumpier stuff. Can see Lopez doing the Tour after his strong early season

Good point. Maybe a bit of heart-ruling-head there with me picking Stannard. Re Lopez, not sure that they will want to take too many riders onto Tour from the Giro, so perhaps Zandio will come in somewhere.

inkyfingers

Hadn't noticed that you had Lopez in the Giro team, so yes, maybe they'll take Zandio as a bit of an all rounder.

Did you get permission before starting a Sky thread?

Richmond Racer

inkyfingers wrote:

Hadn't noticed that you had Lopez in the Giro team, so yes, maybe they'll take Zandio as a bit of an all rounder.

Did you get permission before starting a Sky thread?

I think TWH did it whilst everyone was distracted by Dan Martin's win...

inkyfingers

Sorry, as resident fanboy (sic) I assumed you'd started it

Richmond Racer

inkyfingers wrote:

Sorry, as resident fanboy (sic) I assumed you'd started it

Wot-e-ver

tailwindhome

Richmond Racer wrote:

inkyfingers wrote:

Hadn't noticed that you had Lopez in the Giro team, so yes, maybe they'll take Zandio as a bit of an all rounder.

Did you get permission before starting a Sky thread?

I think TWH did it whilst everyone was distracted by Dan Martin's win...

I start threads based purely on feel...

tailwindhome

Richmond Racer wrote:

inkyfingers wrote:

Hadn't noticed that you had Lopez in the Giro team, so yes, maybe they'll take Zandio as a bit of an all rounder.

Did you get permission before starting a Sky thread?

I think TWH did it whilst everyone was distracted by Dan Martin's win...

The Spoiler Police will be after you...

LeicesterLad

What about the Vuelta? Absolutely no idea who will go there this year. Porte for team leader? JTL GT debut?

No_Ta_Doctor

Giro:
SkyBot 1-8 + Wiggins.

TdF
SkyBot 1-7 + Froome & Wiggins.

This post sponsored by the Twaliban.

inkyfingers

LeicesterLad wrote:

What about the Vuelta? Absolutely no idea who will go there this year. Porte for team leader? JTL GT debut?

Uran?

Though Porte might be a better bet if there's much TTing.

RichN95.

LeicesterLad wrote:

What about the Vuelta? Absolutely no idea who will go there this year. Porte for team leader? JTL GT debut?

Henao as leader is my guess - it's all uphill finishes with little TTing.

Richmond Racer

RichN95 wrote:

LeicesterLad wrote:

What about the Vuelta? Absolutely no idea who will go there this year. Porte for team leader? JTL GT debut?

Henao as leader is my guess - it's all uphill finishes with little TTing.

Oh gawd, 11 of the blighters. A TTT of 27k and an ITT of 38k

frenchfighter

No tA Doctor wrote:

Giro:
SkyBot 1-8 + Wiggins.

TdF
SkyBot 1-7 + Froome & Wiggins.

This post sponsored by the Twaliban.

Ironically this is pretty much it. The other riders names are largely irrelevant. In a GT they ride hard for their nominated leader, riding exactly to a plan with little ability to shine in their own right. Does it really matter if it is Uran or Henao, Zandio or Lopez. Not really because they will all be doing the same predictable thing and the only consideration is their capacity to do that one thing.

Sky neuters a rider's personaility. Sky follow a plan and this is an application in race conditions of an oft rehearsed structured riding format.

No_Ta_Doctor

frenchfighter wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

Giro:
SkyBot 1-8 + Wiggins.

TdF
SkyBot 1-7 + Froome & Wiggins.

This post sponsored by the Twaliban.

Ironically this is pretty much it. The other riders names are largely irrelevant. In a GT they ride hard for their nominated leader, riding exactly to a plan with little ability to shine in their own right. Does it really matter if it is Uran or Henao, Zandio or Lopez. Not really because they will all be doing the same predictable thing and the only consideration is their capacity to do that one thing.

Sky neuters a rider's personaility. Sky follow a plan and this is an application in race conditions of an oft rehearsed structured riding format.

So what you're saying is they select riders from a very strong group according to their ability to perform specific tasks in supporting a team leader? My God, what a radical idea.

r0bh

frenchfighter wrote:

Ironically this is pretty much it. The other riders names are largely irrelevant. In a GT they ride hard for their nominated leader, riding exactly to a plan with little ability to shine in their own right. Does it really matter if it is Uran or Henao, Zandio or Lopez. Not really because they will all be doing the same predictable thing and the only consideration is their capacity to do that one thing.

Yeah, I mean Contador always gets Navarro picked in his GT teams so he can express himself and go for stage wins doesn't he.

RichN95.

frenchfighter wrote:

Ironically this is pretty much it. The other riders names are largely irrelevant. In a GT they ride hard for their nominated leader, riding exactly to a plan with little ability to shine in their own right. Does it really matter if it is Uran or Henao, Zandio or Lopez. Not really because they will all be doing the same predictable thing and the only consideration is their capacity to do that one thing.

Sky neuters a rider's personaility. Sky follow a plan and this is an application in race conditions of an oft rehearsed structured riding format.

Such tactics are not the way of a True Champion

No_Ta_Doctor

meanwhile Stephen Roche is doing his nut at the sight of so much manly chest exposure.

RichN95.

No tA Doctor wrote:

meanwhile Stephen Roche is doing his nut at the sight of so much manly chest exposure.

At least he can be assured that Nico's personality won't be neutered in service of his team leader

No_Ta_Doctor

RichN95 wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

meanwhile Stephen Roche is doing his nut at the sight of so much manly chest exposure.

At least he can be assured that Nico's personality won't be neutered in service of his team leader

I'm sure he has a binding agreement with Riis that his lad will be able fully express himself by riding with his customary panache to an existentially fulfilling top 20 GC placement.

frenchfighter

Sky don't race like other teams. There are some similarities because these things are part of the sport, yet their extent, application and one trick pony approach, successfully carried out on occasion due to single mindedness and large bank balances, is different.

If you disagree you need to watch more racing.

LeicesterLad

No tA Doctor wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

meanwhile Stephen Roche is doing his nut at the sight of so much manly chest exposure.

At least he can be assured that Nico's personality won't be neutered in service of his team leader

I'm sure he has a binding agreement with Riis that his lad will be able fully express himself by riding with his customary panache to an existentially fulfilling top 20 GC placement.

Poor old Nico. Probably not the only agreement his dad has had with Riis either, dopers like to stick together.

above_the_cows

RichN95 wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

meanwhile Stephen Roche is doing his nut at the sight of so much manly chest exposure.

At least he can be assured that Nico's personality won't be neutered in service of his team leader

Nico has a personality?

tailwindhome

frenchfighter wrote:

Sky don't race like other teams. There are some similarities because these things are part of the sport, yet their extent, application and one trick pony approach, successfully carried out on occasion due to single mindedness and large bank balances, is different.

If you disagree you need to watch more racing.

So if Sky are a one trick pony, what's the problem?

There's lots of types of racers for lots of types of races....

No_Ta_Doctor

frenchfighter wrote:

Sky don't race like other teams. There are some similarities because these things are part of the sport, yet their extent, application and one trick pony approach, successfully carried out on occasion due to single mindedness and large bank balances, is different.

If you disagree you need to watch more racing.

Yes they do. They just do it better.

If you disagree you need to watch more racing.

nic_77

frenchfighter wrote:

Ironically this is pretty much it. The other riders names are largely irrelevant. In a GT they ride hard for their nominated leader, riding exactly to a plan with little ability to shine in their own right. Does it really matter if it is Uran or Henao, Zandio or Lopez. Not really because they will all be doing the same predictable thing and the only consideration is their capacity to do that one thing.

Sky neuters a rider's personaility. Sky follow a plan and this is an application in race conditions of an oft rehearsed structured riding format.

And in one post you undermine the valiant effort and endeavour of countless uncelebrated unnamed domestiques, upon whom our beloved sport is established. Philistine.

menchovʹsstabilisers

frenchfighter wrote:

Sky don't race like other teams. There are some similarities because these things are part of the sport, yet their extent, application and one trick pony approach, successfully carried out on occasion due to single mindedness and large bank balances, is different.

If you disagree you need to watch more racing.

I'm sure they will be relieved to hear this after all the US Postal comparisons. It might only be one person defending them, but marginal gains etc

inseine

I'm pretty disappointed that Roche went to the dopers team, I'm not sure he'll do more than continue as a nearly man and if he does fingers will point....