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  • Calpol
    Calpol Posts: 1,039
    I can't find the thread now but I am sure that I remember reading on here that there is a problem with these Hope hubs and Campagnolo 10 speed compatibility. Have I imagined this or is it true. It would be a shame because I am quite swayed by this build.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    Calpol wrote:
    I can't find the thread now but I am sure that I remember reading on here that there is a problem with these Hope hubs and Campagnolo 10 speed compatibility. Have I imagined this or is it true. It would be a shame because I am quite swayed by this build.

    11, not 10... an 11 cassette won't fit, a ten will... although some rumours about some 10 speed cassettes not fitting have been around too. I would avoid Hope altogether if you are on Campag.
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  • gaanrowl
    gaanrowl Posts: 326
    LOVE you wheels i think they match your bike a treat, ill be looking at getting the same build for my litening but with red hubs (as long as ugo agrees) as soon as i have the funds. i cant find any info on the dt swiss CSW RA1.0 wheels set does anyone have any info on them, are they decent or would it be worth selling to fund my new set or are they worth keeping for my winter build?
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    gaanrowl wrote:
    LOVE you wheels i think they match your bike a treat, ill be looking at getting the same build for my litening but with red hubs (as long as ugo agrees). i cant find any info on the dt swiss CSW RA1.0 wheels set does anyone have any info on them, are they decent or would it be worth selling to fund my new set or are they worth keeping for my winter build?

    They are decent... much better than normal Shimano bottom end or other junk typically fitted on off the peg bikes.
    In fact sometimes I think, considering the almost 6 months of winter conditions we have, is it not better to get an upgrade for winter, rather than one for those scarce sunny days?
    Just a thought.
    My latest upgrade has been conceding that 23-25 mm tyres are just not suitable and I got some 32 mm touring tyres... they are a joy to ride this time of the year... potholes, mud, bring them on!
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  • gaanrowl
    gaanrowl Posts: 326
    good point well made ugo, thats something to consider having used my cube through the winter and having one rear wheel bearing need replacing after perhaps 500miles or so!
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  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    I have the 2.0 version of the wheels and decided to hold on to them for the time being, if they went with the Boardman colour wise then I'd have stuck them on that. Not sure whether I'll use them in winter or just keep as spares as I only ever ride this bike in the dry anyway.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    gaanrowl wrote:
    good point well made ugo, thats something to consider having used my cube through the winter and having one rear wheel bearing need replacing after perhaps 500miles or so!
    Bearings are a minor casualty, if you are a bit handy with DIY and get spare ones at Simplybearings for 3-10 quid. I am more worried about fancy rims getting thrashed in the wet... recently I had a few people knocking at the door with exploded rims after a long and wet winter... 5000 miles was all it took to kill them in quite a dramatic fashion. Here is one:

    http://paolocoppo.drupalgardens.com/con ... t-too-much

    Being the devil's advocate I am, I think the perfect bike for this island is a crosser fitted with discs and road/touring tyres. Something like the latest Condor offerings is where my money would go. Look at it... I mean... it's gorgeous too!

    http://www.condorcycles.com/2011-Range/ ... e.tpl.html
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  • gaanrowl
    gaanrowl Posts: 326
    do you find the new wheels make a difference? they look that good i want you to say yes!! haha
    tbh i bought my bike to ride and as its the only one i have right now its getting rode, i hadnt really bought into this winter bike thing but when i have seen some of the states my pride and joy has come back in ill be working on the missus for next winter!

    @ugo would the new wheels be a good upgrade or would i be better just taking the stickers off the dt`s :lol
    :shock: dont fancy that happening to my rims. may have a rethink on winter bike frame that condor is quite sexy looking there is some pretty awful looking x frames out there!
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  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    Yes, the wheels make a difference. Not life changing but early indications show better acceleration, cornering and all round ride improvements, a bit stiffer.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    gaanrowl wrote:
    @ugo would the new wheels be a good upgrade or would i be better just taking the stickers off the dt`s :lol
    :shock: dont fancy that happening to my rims. may have a rethink on winter bike frame that condor is quite sexy looking there is some pretty awful looking x frames out there!

    I don't buy into the upgrade thing... if your wheels are crap, you need decent wheels, if your wheels are OK, you don't need an upgrade. I believe in "fit for purpose"... most wheels on the market aren't... if a spoke failure means you can't go back home because the rim has too much deflection, that's not fit for purpose. If a rimfailure means you have to bin the wheel, that's not fit for purpose either.
    As for your personal bests and all that stuff, I am not very much into it... I am pleased when someone comes back to me saying they go faster than they used to, but in fairness I am a lot happier when someone comes back with a rim flattened by a giant pothole and we can get it sorted quickly and inexpensively.
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  • gaanrowl
    gaanrowl Posts: 326
    Taking all that into account are the dt's fit for purpose would they get me home? Would the hubs be worth reusing on a rebuild if this is the case I'm a happy chap, and ill look towards a winter wheel build. There is no info anywhere on these wheels even the guy from dt Swiss only guessed what hub they were
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    gaanrowl wrote:
    Taking all that into account are the dt's fit for purpose would they get me home? Would the hubs be worth reusing on a rebuild if this is the case I'm a happy chap, and ill look towards a winter wheel build. There is no info anywhere on these wheels even the guy from dt Swiss only guessed what hub they were

    They combine straight pull with round spokes i seem ro recall, which is very annoying. Normally spokes seize a bit in the nipple, if the spoke is J bend that is not a big issue, if the spoke is bladed again not a big issue, but if the spoke is neither, then you have a problem, as there is no practical way to unseize it. I have tried pliers and other blacksmith tricks, but often you have to cut the spoke.
    Not many will rebuild on straight pull budget hubs... The availability of straight pull spokes is patchy. Manufacturers typically sell them in large boxes for the trade and LBS and builders don't want to stock them for this reason. Why should I have 1000 straight pull spokes if I am not using them?
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  • gaanrowl
    gaanrowl Posts: 326
    You remember correctly ugo, thanks for your advice when the time comes I will buy some fit for purpose, rider weight and usage. I think it will come down to what sort of winter frame I pick up!
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  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    As for your personal bests and all that stuff, I am not very much into it... I am pleased when someone comes back to me saying they go faster than they used to, but in fairness I am a lot happier when someone comes back with a rim flattened by a giant pothole and we can get it sorted quickly and inexpensively.

    But my two KOMs this week were on the new wheels so it must have been down to them :D
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    Maybe I am pessimistic, given it is almost April and feels like January, but I have the feeling this cycle of long bad winters and short miserable summers is here to stay. Insisting on a carbon and lightweight policy might be just a disappointment.
    Luckily we have very viable options with a bit more engineering to choose from and I suggest you to consider something with disc brakes and all the fittings for winter, rather than the usual. Get one you enjoy to ride, rather than a cheap road bike with crap components... Consider cross, consider using off road too, to add a bit of fun to those miserable grey winters...
    I used to ride my summer bike a lot more than my winter one, but now I would say it is 70/30 for the winter bike. I have not used the former since early November, I think... And I use the winter for commuting 12 months per year too... It is probably worth getting something enjoyable, rather than any piece of junk
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  • Speckled
    Speckled Posts: 97
    Nice to see some more pictures of these wheels, i was suppost to have some made the other week but im having to wait till next month now.

    Ive been torn with which hubs to get, i had decided to get the dt swiss 240's but i'd really like to keep the overall build price around the £400 mark due to a few unexpected bills... and im not actually sure if the weight saving is worth the extra money anyway?

    I dont like the noise of the hopes so i think im gonna go for the dt swiss 350's
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    I didn't think I'd be too keen and thought long and hard about the hubs, but Christ do they sound good... My only gripe now is they're not loud enough.
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    Just an update on these now I've done a good few miles on them.

    I love them, seriously love them. A good smooth ride with GP4000s 25s on, cornering is better as first imagined, acceleration is much improved and going up hills they're a dream. The brake track is already starting to wear silver but that was to be expected and it's fairly marginal right now although I have only done a couple of hundred miles on them. Small price to pay though and as I say, I knew that would happen.

    But for just over £400 I'm delighted, not only that but the patience Ugo had with all my questions was fantastic. I'm taking the bike to Devon tomorrow for a week of hills, the few jaunts I've had around my local hills in Surrey though suggest they'll do me a treat. And they're still absolutely true too, not a flicker of misalignment even though I've hit some fairly nasty potholes.

    Can't recommend Ugo highly enough, will now look to get some cheap training wheels done for the Boardman soon.
  • thiscocks
    thiscocks Posts: 549
    Really like those rims. Are they more comfortable than the original ones, which I guess were 19mm?
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    thiscocks wrote:
    Really like those rims. Are they more comfortable than the original ones, which I guess were 19mm?

    They are, but tbh it's initially not a eureka moment and there's not a massive amount in it on normal roads, but when you get to the crappy ones (we have loads of those in surrey) you really start to appreciate the difference. I was thinking of going back to 23mm tyres but I think the 25mm are still perfect even on the wider rims (although I may be tempted to go 23 front/25 rear in future). Anyone who knows Hungry Hill Lane will know how rough it is and the difference was pretty evident when I rode it on the new rims.

    As I say, for £400 odd they're not the best you're going to get but they're a definite positive upgrade on the standard issue ones and for those on a budget I see them as a no brainer.
  • thiscocks
    thiscocks Posts: 549
    Sound good. From what I've read the 23mm rims work best with the wider 24-27mm tyres.
  • wavefront
    wavefront Posts: 397
    MoscowFlyer wrote:

    Anyone who knows Hungry Hill Lane will know how rough it is and the difference was pretty evident when I rode it on the new rims.

    Yup! That road has to be the worst road in Surrey, and it's part of my commute - hate it, hate it! Trying to avoid it now and go through Clandon, but then I miss the climb over Staples lane. You've now got me thinking about going down the same wheel route as you!
  • pride4ever
    pride4ever Posts: 510
    Sound like good, solid wheels, shame they are so bland looking though.
    the deeper the section the deeper the pleasure.
  • Wirral_paul
    Wirral_paul Posts: 2,476
    pride4ever wrote:
    Sound like good, solid wheels, shame they are so bland looking though.

    Do you ever give up trolling every single thread you "contribute" to?? :evil:
  • pride4ever
    pride4ever Posts: 510
    Wirral_Paul wrote:
    pride4ever wrote:
    Sound like good, solid wheels, shame they are so bland looking though.

    Do you ever give up trolling every single thread you "contribute" to?? :evil:


    Get off my nuts stalker ffs lol.....
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    the deeper the section the deeper the pleasure.
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    thiscocks wrote:
    Sound good. From what I've read the 23mm rims work best with the wider 24-27mm tyres.

    Yeah, I'm more than happy staying with the 25s now. I've just done a week in Devon and have climbed a fair bit. I took both of my bikes and have truly learned to appreciate these wheels, they're superb on hills and have been an absolute pleasure to ride on. The difference between the two sets of wheels is definitely noticeable and although I took a hit on the pavement at one point, they're still as true as the day I received them. I love them.

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