Is anyone going to the bedroom tax demos on Saturday?

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  • d87francis
    d87francis Posts: 136
    the playing mantis wrote:
    thats just ignorant. why is anyone who wants to restrict immigration branded BNP/racist???

    likewise, maybe some of there other policies merit consideration?
    Because they fail to grasp the concept that Britain is a country made up of immigrants. That we already restrict immigration and have immigrants held without charge in detention centres for up to 3 years.
    the playing mantis wrote:
    look we will soon see how the left will deal with our problems when the glorious drip milipede gets elected next time round as the electorate is so short sighted and suffers from collective amnesia, and Dave has f88ked up completely by trying to steal the middle.
    "Drip milipede" and his New Labour pals are more a centre-right party along with the Tories, but you keep telling yourself that we are have a representative democracy :) .
    the playing mantis wrote:
    just vote ukip they will sort it out, at least having farage as PM would be good value.
    Good old populism, keeps the right in power and stops people asking too many questions :wink:
  • the playing mantis
    the playing mantis Posts: 2,129
    milipedes labour as centre right, yep they are...

    has anyone actually looked at ukips policies? ( i havent) i imagine they do have something to say on deficit reduction.

    as i understand it, ukip are primarily an anti EU party, as they find it incomprehensible that we have ceded the powers of our nation state to govern oursleves, and to be told what to do by unelected officials who have no interest in us. immigration is obviously another tenent of their mantra and is tied in with this, but there main role is anti eu.

    at the risk of this turning into an immigration thread i will address you comments

    re the country being a nation of immigants, so what? how is that relevant to ukips stance?

    immigration is restricted now, so what? Its not suffieicntly restricted, 100's of thousands of incomers a year is not sustainable,

    the fact is we live on a small island with finite resources/space, the south east and london is a joke as is overcrowding wise. unless you back increased urbanisation and the ultimate goal of the southeast being one mass concrete conurbation, fine go for it. thats what will happen what with this governemnts ridiculous new planning laws, which will be eagerly adopted by labour. simply put when is enough enough, there has to be level, we do not have infinie resources/space to support n+1 people.

    should immigration be unrestricted until it becomes so overcrowded and sh*t here that its no longer a desirable place for people to come?? its all well and good left lening idealists having these ideas, but they simply arn't workable in the long run.
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    i suppose from the perspective of the rabid, racist right*, milliband et al would be viewed as commie 5th columnists?

    the fact is they support the same neoliberal policies as camerons gangsters.

    they are ALL corporate whores.

    *not saying thats you, like :D
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • tiredofwhiners
    tiredofwhiners Posts: 598
    fast as fupp wrote:
    i suppose from the perspective of the rabid, racist right*, milliband et al would be viewed as commie 5th columnists?

    Not really, he is viewed as a warning to the electorate of what they will get when they don't take their medicine and learn to live within their means. Being controlled by a Muppet is no way to go through life, UK.
    fast as fupp wrote:
    the fact is they support the same neoliberal policies as camerons gangsters.

    they are ALL corporate whores.

    Spot the Guardian reader as only they use the 'neoliberal' tag to indicate' people I disagree with philosophically but cannot come up with an argument against'.

    Fact is that the UK has moved markedly to the right of centre and that is making socialists weep (great stuff) and the Guardian readership even more utterly unrepresentative of the Uk populations views on almost every subject.

    The UK is now firmly centre right and the best champion for that was Gordon Brown. He destroyed any left of centre support through immigration and overspending on a massive scale resulting in a lot of centre left supporters seeing the dangers of uncontrolled immigration and redistribution of wealth, without representation.

    Thats why people strike now, not for justice and fairness, but to be personally excluded for paying back the debt built up by their votes.
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    Bob Loblaw
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • jonomc4
    jonomc4 Posts: 891
    bdu98252 wrote:
    For the bedroom tax to actually be a tax would it not have to be linked to something like earnings or a spend like PAYE or VAT for example. The argument appears to be that based around a reduction in a state benefit to either non working individuals or those on low incomes. Perhaps all those at the demo will be able to demostrate that whilst I have to live within my means it is fair to allow others a standard of living to which their income would not allow.

    Welcome to PC Britain.


    sums it up - well said.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,996
    Good day out. Would have stayed over for a few days but had to get back to sign on. :roll:
  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Good day out. Would have stayed over for a few days but had to get back to sign on. :roll:


    It often amazes me how so many of the activists amongst us are happy to claim benefits from the governments they so graciously apose :)
    Living MY dream.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,996
    edited March 2013
    Whooosh

    Edit Sorry Vtech, I know you weren't taken in.
  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    Sorry, didnt aim that comment at you. It was adding weight to your reply.
    Living MY dream.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,996
    VTech wrote:
    Sorry, didnt aim that comment at you. It was adding weight to your reply.

    I was too quick. I realised straight away my mistake and edited. :oops:
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    d87francis wrote:
    "Drip milipede" and his New Labour pals are more a centre-right party along with the Tories, but you keep telling yourself that we are have a representative democracy :)
    Well, you just have to stand for parliament then and all the disenfranchised masses will come flocking to your banner...

    EDIT: what the ******* is wrong with the word f l o c k i n g??? :shock:
  • the playing mantis
    the playing mantis Posts: 2,129
    who me? no im too lazy. i would be a corrupt mp, on the take with all my moats and duck houses. i would broker dodgy deals with african dictators to exploit there mineral resources. i reckon i would be shipped out half way through my term.
  • tiredofwhiners
    tiredofwhiners Posts: 598
    bompington wrote:
    Well, you just have to stand for parliament then and all the disenfranchised masses will come ******* to your banner...

    Ah, the last dying cry of the hard left ;)

    Its amazing to see how the UK has firmly moved from centre left to centre right over the last 5-10 years, and now that things are hard, that the hard left think that everyone yearns for their policies which would destroy much of the economy.

    Its similar, but not as extreme as the republicans having lost the centre, Hispanic, Black and women voting blocks believing that if they move even further to the extreme, that those who already won't vote for them because of their right wing extremism policies, will somehow vote for them even if they become even more extreme.

    Millipede has a real problem as although nobody likes cameron, they like Ed even less because of the people with whom he associates.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,996
    Where is everyone :?: :?: :?:
    I'm stood here like a lemon on my own :!:
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,511
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Where is everyone :?: :?: :?:
    I'm stood here like a lemon on my own :!:

    i'm right here with my popcorn.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • MisterMuncher
    MisterMuncher Posts: 1,302
    tiredofwhiners wrote:
    Millipede has a real problem as although nobody likes cameron, they like Ed even less because of the people with whom he associates.

    Really? Every Poll conducted for the last year disagrees pretty strongly with that contention.
  • the playing mantis
    the playing mantis Posts: 2,129
    MisterMuncher wrote:
    tiredofwhiners wrote:
    Millipede has a real problem as although nobody likes cameron, they like Ed even less because of the people with whom he associates.

    Really? Every Poll conducted for the last year disagrees pretty strongly with that contention.

    the british public are mostly stupid, they vote on simple things and on short termism

    tories = supposed cuts (or the media frenzy about these supposed cuts, BBC mostly)
    labour = against cuts (despite opffering 0 solutions to how they would solve the proble or the fact they contributed to it significantly)

    its a no brainer who will win.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,996
    Mantis is right. The British voters seem to have the memory of a goldfish. It is as if the Blair/Brown debacle never happened. :?

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