Tour De France - Stage 1 - Reliabity Trial! THIS SATURDAY!

ShaunTCR2

On the 2nd March, This year 2013.
I am organizing a Reliability Trial, Via the First stage of the 2014 Tour De France Route!
Entry Fee is £5.00, All money goes towards funding a Expedition to Vietnam in 2013, where we would be doing charitable work!

Meeting at Center of Wood House Moor Park at 10am!

Riders will set off around 10:00am and finish before 6:00pm, This gives riders 7 Hours to complete the ride, as it is 127 miles. This sets the slowest pace at an average speed of just 15mph capable for any rider.

Would advise bringing plenty of food and spare equipment, and some money as there will be a few cafes on the route you could stop off at for a rest if needed!

NOTE* This is not organized via British Cycling, it is just a fund raising idea to raise money for an expedition!

Directions are as follows

Leeds Wood house Moor Park - Moortown - Harewood - Pool In Wharfedale -
Otley - Esscroft - Ilkely - Addingham - Skipton - (B6265) Grassington (Thershfield) -
Kettelwell - Buckden - Hawes - Bainbridge - Aysgarth - Bainbridge - Hawes - Gunnerside -
Reeth - Layburn - Middleham - Masham - West Tanfield - Ripon - Ripley - Killinghall -
Harrogate - Caffe Nero Harrogate

127 Miles

Sign on at Wood house Moor Park, and Sign Off at Caffe Nero in Harrogate where refreshments will be available.

Join the Ride Event on Facebook At
http://www.facebook.com/events/133422476824071/
And follow us on twitter At
https://twitter.com/TDF2014PubRide

Riders ride at their own risk and must obey the laws and correct usage of the roads with consideration to other road users. the organizer or the promoting club will not be responsible for any injuries or incidents that happen on the ride.


Email: ByShaun@Hotmail.co.uk

durhamwasp

Great idea, tho i dont know if 15mph really makes it suitable "for any rider". Especially over 127 miles this early in the season, if the season has officially even started yet.

Did you need any kind of official permission for it? I know its not through BC, so was it just a matter of making a route, and suggesting people donate for charity? I like these style events. Did you get permission for your use of the TdF logos etc? And what exactly is the money going towards?

Good luck with the event

durhamwasp

double post

Slo Mo Jones

What's the charity expedition?

sheffsimon

Slo Mo Jones wrote:

What's the charity expedition?

An adventure holiday paid for by donation.

Slo Mo Jones

SheffSimon wrote:

Slo Mo Jones wrote:

What's the charity expedition?

An adventure holiday paid for by donation.

Brilliant.

Look out for the 1st Annual Slo Mo Jones Sportive, coming soon.

Scrumple

Have you taken out insurance?

I think this sounds like a potential cock up. What if 2000 people rocked up?

Is the charity resgistered? Or are you doing a "sponsored" ride. Can you justify charging people? It looks like a free ride on free roads, and you charge people cash for some holiday - very few details on what sort of holiday, too.

Hmmmm.

ShaunTCR2

Scrumple wrote:

Have you taken out insurance?

I think this sounds like a potential fool up. What if 2000 people rocked up?

Is the charity resgistered? Or are you doing a "sponsored" ride. Can you justify charging people? It looks like a free ride on free roads, and you charge people cash for some holiday - very few details on what sort of holiday, too.

Hmmmm.

No i havent, its just an idea i had to raise some money, if you want links to the expedition visit here... http://www.outlookexpeditions.com/desti ... ia/vietnam, that's the company we are going through, and the charity work we are doing over there includes teaching kids English and helping community projects!
The 5 pounds, will go directly to the funding of the expedition!

ShaunTCR2

durhamwasp wrote:

Great idea, tho i dont know if 15mph really makes it suitable "for any rider". Especially over 127 miles this early in the season, if the season has officially even started yet.

Did you need any kind of official permission for it? I know its not through BC, so was it just a matter of making a route, and suggesting people donate for charity? I like these style events. Did you get permission for your use of the TdF logos etc? And what exactly is the money going towards?

Good luck with the event

No, i just planned it all my self, so its a private event so i wouldn't see why i would need permission from anyone, its just a bigger version of a few friends meeting up to ride!
And no, im not using the logos on the day for the sign on - off sheets, just purely an advertisement basis.
And the money goes towards the funding of a expedition to Vietnam & lous in late 2013 where we would be doing charitable work teaching kids English, and helping community projects as well as trekking.

Scrumple

Where is charity mentioned anywhere on the trip link?

This may be "charitable" work, but there seems to be NO charity here. The company that provides the trips is not a charity!!

Be careful - you may be off having fun and doing good but no one here is giving to "charity".

Slo Mo Jones

ShaunTCR2, I clicked on the link and had a read.

I am sure you have the best intentions, but you are effectively asking people to fund a holiday. I have no doubt that on your holiday you will do some charity work, but it is still a holiday from which you stand to benefit greatly, and you are attempting to charge people to ride on public roads to pay for it.

Outlook Expeditions are essentially a profit making tour operator specialising in offering exciting holidays. For kids, I also note.

"No, i just planned it all my self, so its a private event so i wouldn't see why i would need permission from anyone, its just a bigger version of a few friends meeting up to ride!"

Except that you are trying to charge people for it, such that you can pay for a holiday.

Scrumple

haha

I was trying to be polite...

Think you said what I was trying to! At least being 17 it is very unlikely that you'll have to declare the income due to hitting the threshold and have to pay tax on your earnings from it.

Can't be charitable donations, you see - it counts as "income".

ShaunTCR2

Sure you can see it like that, or you can look at it, as if you enter a Reliability Trial through British cycling. Effectively you are paying to ride on public roads on a route... This is what this is, but the money is going towards an expedition to Vietnam, and i never mentioned it was going direct to a charity, it is a "Charity Expedition" the basis of the expedition is to do charity work, to give Vietnamese children experiences in education and helping out community. Think of it more as "Charitable Work" You would pay to go on a Reliability Trial Through British Cycling.

Scrumple

ShaunTCR2 wrote:

On the 2nd March, This year 2013.

Entry Fee is £5.00, All money goes towards funding a Charity Expedition to Vietnam in 2013!

You pay BC as they have insurance, and use marshalls, and usually have someone who looks after people and provides support.

You pay charities as they are charities subject to legal requirements.

You are trying to get SPONSORED for the cost of a holiday doing some "charitable type" work. Be careful, as it is dishonest to ask for money for a charty expedition, when it isn't a charity!

ShaunTCR2

Scrumple wrote:

ShaunTCR2 wrote:

On the 2nd March, This year 2013.

Entry Fee is £5.00, All money goes towards funding a Charity Expedition to Vietnam in 2013!

You pay BC as they have insurance, and use marshalls, and usually have someone who looks after people and provides support.

You pay charities as they are charities subject to legal requirements.

You are trying to get SPONSORED for the cost of a holiday doing some "charitable type" work. Be careful, as it is dishonest to ask for money for a charity expedition, when it isn't a charity!

Ok, but i must ensure you, there is no dishonesty in here. Its most likely that this is badly worded but all the intentions are good. Sorry if the wording caused confusion or facts are unclear, but it is all for good causes.

Slo Mo Jones

ShaunTCR2 wrote:

Sure you can see it like that, or you can look at it, as if you enter a Reliability Trial through British cycling. Effectively you are paying to ride on public roads on a route... This is what this is, but the money is going towards an expedition to Vietnam, and i never mentioned it was going direct to a charity, it is a "Charity Expedition" the basis of the expedition is to do charity work, to give Vietnamese children experiences in education and helping out community. Think of it more as "Charitable Work" You would pay to go on a Reliability Trial Through British Cycling.

Hmm.

The comparison with British Cycling Reliability Trials is dealt with by Scrumple.

With regard to the reference to charitable work, the moral justification for "fundraising" for this is ambiguous at best. You could do charitable work in the UK, and you would not need any funding. You are choosing to do charitable work in Vietnam in Laos. You will benefit from such a trip. You should fund the cost of that. I could donate £5 to a real charity, say the Red Cross or something, and that £5 might pay for a Vietnamese hospital to buy medicines. Or I could give £5 to you, and it will contribute towards your flight to Vietnam.

It is not an expedition to do charity work. It is a holiday on which you will do some charity work. There's a very big difference.

Now, if you paid your travel costs, and did some fundraising to support the local charities you are working with in Vietnam, that is more acceptable. However there are still legal obligations, such as registering your fundraising activities with the charity in question. I mean, otherwise anyone could stand in the street rattling a bucket with "Save the Children" on it and use the money to pay for a holiday to Vietnam.

Slo Mo Jones

ShaunTCR2 wrote:

Scrumple wrote:

ShaunTCR2 wrote:

On the 2nd March, This year 2013.

Entry Fee is £5.00, All money goes towards funding a Charity Expedition to Vietnam in 2013!

You pay BC as they have insurance, and use marshalls, and usually have someone who looks after people and provides support.

You pay charities as they are charities subject to legal requirements.

You are trying to get SPONSORED for the cost of a holiday doing some "charitable type" work. Be careful, as it is dishonest to ask for money for a charity expedition, when it isn't a charity!

Ok, but i must ensure you, there is no dishonesty in here. Its most likely that this is badly worded but all the intentions are good. Sorry if the wording caused confusion or facts are unclear, but it is all for good causes.

Shaun, you are still mistaken. It is not all for good causes. You stand to benefit hugely from the trip. That might be a good cause for you, but it's not for other people.

Anyway, is there really a desperate need for unqualified, non-Vietnamese speaking English teachers in Vietnam?

You are asking people to sacrifice some cash for this. If 1000 people donated £5 each, and paid for you to go to Vietnam and do this, what sacrifice have you made?

ShaunTCR2

Slo Mo Jones wrote:

ShaunTCR2 wrote:

Sure you can see it like that, or you can look at it, as if you enter a Reliability Trial through British cycling. Effectively you are paying to ride on public roads on a route... This is what this is, but the money is going towards an expedition to Vietnam, and i never mentioned it was going direct to a charity, it is a "Charity Expedition" the basis of the expedition is to do charity work, to give Vietnamese children experiences in education and helping out community. Think of it more as "Charitable Work" You would pay to go on a Reliability Trial Through British Cycling.

Hmm.

The comparison with British Cycling Reliability Trials is dealt with by Scrumple.

With regard to the reference to charitable work, the moral justification for "fundraising" for this is ambiguous at best. You could do charitable work in the UK, and you would not need any funding. You are choosing to do charitable work in Vietnam in Laos. You will benefit from such a trip. You should fund the cost of that. I could donate £5 to a real charity, say the Red Cross or something, and that £5 might pay for a Vietnamese hospital to buy medicines. Or I could give £5 to you, and it will contribute towards your flight to Vietnam.

It is not an expedition to do charity work. It is a holiday on which you will do some charity work. There's a very big difference.

Now, if you paid your travel costs, and did some fundraising to support the local charities you are working with in Vietnam, that is more acceptable. However there are still legal obligations, such as registering your fundraising activities with the charity in question. I mean, otherwise anyone could stand in the street rattling a bucket with "Save the Children" on it and use the money to pay for a holiday to Vietnam.

Yes essentially it is a holiday which we would do charity work... but you're acting from the perspective that you would get nothing in return, the 5 pounds you would be paying in essence goes towards the trip, but you get the ride out of if with all the others. you are acting like people would be paying and getting nothing in return.

Slo Mo Jones

ShaunTCR2 wrote:

Yes essentially it is a holiday which we would do charity work... but you're acting from the perspective that you would get nothing in return, the 5 pounds you would be paying in essence goes towards the trip, but you get the ride out of if with all the others. you are acting like people would be paying and getting nothing in return.

They're getting nothing of value in return. You're just riding on public roads. No marshalls, no signage, no support... People could just turn up and pay nothing. Handing over their £5 gets them nothing. All it does is pay for your holiday. You must surely see the problem?

ShaunTCR2

Slo Mo Jones wrote:

ShaunTCR2 wrote:

Yes essentially it is a holiday which we would do charity work... but you're acting from the perspective that you would get nothing in return, the 5 pounds you would be paying in essence goes towards the trip, but you get the ride out of if with all the others. you are acting like people would be paying and getting nothing in return.

They're getting nothing of value in return. You're just riding on public roads. No marshalls, no signage, no support... People could just turn up and pay nothing. Handing over their £5 gets them nothing. All it does is pay for your holiday. You must surely see the problem?

The past 3 reliability trials through British cycling i have entered, work exactly the same way. No marshalls, no signage, no support you literally pay 3 pounds to the club that have organized it and ride on the public roads.

durhamwasp

I recently rode a reliability trial where it cost me £5 and all of the entrants money went directly to 2 registered charities. I am well up for that idea, but unfortunately in your case it does seem that all the £5's will go Outlook Expeditions who are not a charity, rather a company aiming to make profits, and so our £5's will be going to them, not a charity.

A couple of years ago we cycled up Alpe d'Huez a couple of times in a day, and raised £1300 for CHUF. We paid for the trip ourselves (around £1000 between 6 of us) and every penny of that £1300 we raised went straight to CHUF (rather than using £1000 of it to fund our trip and giving the remaining £300 to charity), as a similar example.

Scrumple

I just called to pay, and spoke to this bloke...

ShaunTCR2

durhamwasp wrote:

I recently rode a reliability trial where it cost me £5 and all of the entrants money went directly to 2 registered charities. I am well up for that idea, but unfortunately in your case it does seem that all the £5's will go Outlook Expeditions who are not a charity, rather a company aiming to make profits, and so our £5's will be going to them, not a charity.

A couple of years ago we cycled up Alpe d'Huez a couple of times in a day, and raised £1300 for CHUF. We paid for the trip ourselves (around £1000 between 6 of us) and every penny of that £1300 we raised went straight to CHUF (rather than using £1000 of it to fund our trip and giving the remaining £300 to charity), as a similar example.

i see your point there, and a fair point. But i think you misunderstand the trip itself is essentially a expedition, so we go over to Vietnam and trek for 1 month basically, but whilst where there we would be doing charitable work, EG. teaching kids English and helping local communities. Not the money directly going to a charity.
Really you are just paying to go onto the ride, the money would be used to fund the expedition cost.
But a fair point.