Sportives and road racing
dulldave
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I wrote a piece about road racing and sportives you might be interested in reading.
http://www.veloveritas.co.uk/2013/02/25 ... ad-racing/
http://www.veloveritas.co.uk/2013/02/25 ... ad-racing/
Scottish and British...and a bit French
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momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.
Yeah I agree. I think as long as clubs are the ones organising the races that this should be the route you take to take part. But the person who is on the non-club side of cycling doesn't have an easy way of fathoming how they get started or even why they should get involved with clubs. This is something I was very resistant to when I started as I'd had bad experiences with club politics.
The process of getting into it could be made clearer but there still needs to be some way of getting bunch practice before you pin a number on. If you simply make the path to starting easier without managing it a bit you'll end up with even more people racing before they are ready to do so.
It doesn't really appeal going round a circuit somewhere or time trialling, but if you could throw something in with some climbs then I'd be interested.
I mean there aren't any races that provide anything remotely similar to (as an example) the Dragon Ride or the Fred is there?
This is part of the problem. The first club I joined were a bit similar, it's just a case of finding a club that suits you. They all have their own personality so what's right for one rider isn't necessarily right for the next.
There are plenty of road races with climbs in them but thankfully nothing like the Fred where I am. This is my point about the course being the challenge. When you do a race the challenge is against the other riders whereas a sportive is meant to be about a challenging course. Also climbing in a race is a bit different than a sportive. You don't get to dictate the pace and you can't have a wee breather at the top or take it a bit easier because one of your competitors will go hard (oo er) at the top just as you think you've managed to hold on. You might be a bit surprised about the speed at which even a 4th cat race goes up a climb.
Having spent time riding with people belonging to clubs & race too, it is interesting. Although i think i would fare well & can ride in a group well, racing just doesn't interest me, silely for the reason that i get the impression that a lot of the racers take themselves & the race too seriously & come across as a knob.
Spirtive riding will never resemble a race as there is never any close group riding. Also from what i have been told, races are much more intense & of course much much quicker! I am a competitive person (with myself & against others) but am put of racing sadly as it doesn't sound 'fun', which is why i ride my bike. This is why i ride sportives, they are fun.
If you don't want to race that's fine. Nobody's asking you to, you don't need to justify the decision to anyone.
I would not in my wildest dreams attempt a cycling road race which seem to be all about riding very fast in a large group with a real risk of serious injury and sprinting to the finish. It seems very elitist and only suitable for the 'racing snakes' . So pootling around the countryside on a sportive and trying to avoid the same 'racing snakes' as they whizz past me at great speed is all I have as a competitive outlet which I think is very sad...
It isn't competitive though. That's my point. Try cyclocross it doesn't have the elitism that's putting you off and it's actually a race.
As for whether sportives are competitive or not - to a large extent they are what people want them to be. Certainly some of the big continental ones are and I'm riding the Fred Whitton this year with a definite target time so I guess I'm riding it competitively. No they aren't competitive in the same way road races are - more like a mass participation running marathon I suppose - but there is an element of competition there.
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.
I get the fact that racing is hard to fathom for some people, it is expensive but the main thing I have found is the level of fitness needed at 4th cat is way higher than I could have comprehended when I started to race whereas a sportive has none of that pressure and can be done at your own pace whether you are "going for a time" or like the fact you are taking part in a mass event with like minded people. Most people who race are not nobs, but do take it seriously as the levels and discipline involved rrquire you to commit.
In theory there already is a category of races below 4th cat racing, it's called Go-Race which are open to essentially anyone (no race licence required, I think you may need to be a BC member, can't remember) and held on closed circuits.
I say 'in theory' as they are few and far between, at least in my Region (East Midlands). Just checked and there are 50 on the BC calendar for the season so far, although some of those will probably be kids races.
The point is that the structure is there if people were prepared to put a race on.
Not to sure about the idea of confusion between sportives and racing. They strike me as very different animals indeed.
Without restating what others have said, the route into road racing comes across as downright convoluted and opaque. Clubs don't really appeal for a variety of reasons*, and whilst I'm sure I could find a decent a club (there are plenty around here), the process of finding it would come down to trial and error and that really doesn't float my boat.
What does surprise me is there seems to be no road racing equivalent of the endless "MTB Skills" courses out there. There are a hell of a lot of individuals and small businesses who'll happily lighten your wallet to give you some pointers as to how to ride down a muddy slope**, but there doesn't seem to be any sort of road race equivalent. Personally, I'd be more than happy to shell out a fair bit for some sort of road racing beginners day course (or series of courses, or "racing experience", or whatever) on a closed circuit, and I suspect I wouldn't be alone in this.
* My tolerance for politics and cliques is directly proportional to how much I'm being paid to put up with it.
** That's being pretty unfair really as I'm sure there are plenty of people who get a lot of benefit from the courses. That said, everything that's being taught can be self taught whilst riding solo in your own time, so they are very much a luxury that quite a few people are willing to part with some potentially quite large sums of money to take part in.
It'd be like saying lets have entry level boxing - no you need a level of skill before you should go in a ring and the same with road racing. If anyone really lacks the experience and/or fitness for 4ths only or GoRace then take up cyclocross.
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.
Bit of devils advocate here but why should there be a method "welcoming the experienced non club cyclist into cat 4 races ( or even a new lower 'try racing' type of category) as an individual non affiliated entrant". In my area the road races are put on by the clubs and primarily for other club riders, although non club riders can enter- it's a cooperative effort to ensure racing takes place. AFAIK my club makes no money from the road races we run. What is in it for the club in trying to stage races for people who aren't necessarily putting anything back into the sport - we don't really need any more members, we're not going to make any money out of it and it's a great deal of hassle staging a race.
Is there a problem with amateur racings fortunes? - round here Herne Hill is busy, the Surrey League remains popular and our club and open tt's all got good fields last year
The first paragraph of the OPs article is about the lack of growth in amatuer racing compared to the growth of cycling in general. If British Cycling ever decides that it is going to prioritise entry level racing then it will need to look at new ways of attracting participants. There's no reason why race organisers shouldn't be commercial and outside of the traditional club system. I know it's unlikely to happen but amatuer racing is not capitalising on the current situation. How good would it be if the popularity of Amatuer racing became such that counties HAD to provide closed road courses a couple of times a year and there were large fields with loads of Spectators round the course. The Ride london event this year could be a springboard for pressure to be put on other cities and counties to provide closed road courses for both Races and Sportives. Or in ten years time amatuer racing can and probably will be exactly where it is now doing laps of fairly boring courses with no spectater interest and two men and a dog wondering what is going on.
For me, the main appeal of a sportive is the food&water stops. I can (and do) go ride an audax or on my own and I can time myself, but I'm happy to pay for someone to provide a little service on the route. Many cafes are fine but others are a pain when you just want to snatch a banana and fill a bottle. I don't bother with UK events much but the big French events (Marmotte, Etape) are a great day out and something to build a holiday around.
Notice I used the word event. If you want a road racing revival cycle clubs and British Cycling need to get out and sell themselves. Tell folk why they will enjoy a local club race even more than the Polka Dot - because I don't think most will.
Fair play if that's your thing, but it doesn't really appeal to me at all.
To be honest i don't really want more people to start racing. I started about 3 years ago and noticed that the poor riding and subsequently number of crashes increased massively last year. I won't be going anywhere near a closed circuit this year for fear of been wiped out. There's a fair chance i'll stick to my local handicapped TLI league (if a league coordinator comes forward) as the smaller groups are far safer, i'm surrounded by people of similar ability and its far more fun than riding near the front for 48miles just to get swamped into the final corner.
I have nothing against sportives, i'll probably do more of them this year than BC road races, but people calling them races really makes me shake my head.
But it does need to be more accessible to people who have a competitive hunger that's not being satiated. Many will give racing a go, get pumped out the back and never come back. That's fine. But some will decide to come back for more because they see in it what a lot of other people do. Some of them will go on to be very good at it. For those people, the path to this end is obscured by some the things I mentioned in the article (and quite a lot more). In some cases it's a lack of clarity but also it's just not talked about in the cycling press so there is no enticement. It's lost in the chatter about numerous, largely similar sportives. A more balanced version of events is necessary in my view.
Then there's no problem but not a lot of point to your post either. Perhaps you should have titled it "Hey, come and try a road race. They're greaattt!".
Now, if your intent was to highlight confused and inaccurate presentation in the cycle press, that's fine. Though, as with the Daily Mail, all you can do is ignore them and take your custom elsewhere.
However I think many will have come away with the impression that you feel superior 'cos you're "a racer" and the rest of us are just pretending. Maybe it's your competitive spirit coming through. I know where you're coming from (except those bikes have engines). But we're all enthusiasts having our bit of fun; we just have to accept it as changing taste and fashion.
Have you even read the article? It doesn't really sound like it or you've chosen to hear what you want to hear. I'm not saying you should try a road race. Do what you want, it's a free country. Honestly I can't see which part of what I've written leads you to believe that I think I'm superior to you. I want the competitive side of the sport to be more visible to those who might want to try it. No amount of my ignoring the press will make that happen.
I think this might be the ideal for me. I rode with some people from a London club recently & they said i was welcome to join & that i would do well if i began racing. Obviously we were staying in the same place in a trip & rode together a fair bit so they trusted me & my riding, aswell as getting on well. The club is quite a way from me so that might be a non starter. However, although i enjoy sportives i am constantly drawn to racing, i am nsturally competitive & i can imagine the adrenaline & buzz would be great. Contradicting myself a bit, but thats just me!
Yes you can race without being in a club. In the results you'll be listed as 'unattached' where other's clubs are mentioned. If you like it I recommend joining a club but find one you like first and make sure it suits the type of riding you want to do.
Just go in there with no expectations other than to enjoy it. You've just made my day.
Think i'll just bite the bullet & see what happens!