Would you buy a Livestrong tshirt?

ben@31

PROS: It looks a nice looking tshirt and I'm all for charities against cancer and it's the kind of bright tshirt I want for running in.

CONS: But I would feel uncomfortable with people looking at me and automatically associating the tshirt with the Lance Armstrong story. I don't want people to think that when I'm out running and cycling I condone sporting drugs.

Would you wear one?

CambsNewbie

No. Even if given to me for free. As a brand too tarnished with lance's fallout.

wellbeloved747

No. although Livestrong have dropped lance completely, it is something that will be remembered for ever.

jordan_217

No. Thats pre and post scandal too.

Though I wouldnt knock anyone else who did.....(well in my head I would :twisted: )

Bozman

I've bought two. 7 time tour winner, you've got to support a charity with that history.

ShutUpLegs

I'd give the money to Help For Heroes because I like chandeliers

smoggysteve

CambsNewbie wrote:

No. Even if given to me for free. As a brand too tarnished with lance's fallout.

Yeah, Screw them Cancer sufferers. Just because Lance has ruined everything he had to do with cycling, any charity is deserving of publicity. I would hate to see people shun it just because they have a grudge against the founder.

smoggysteve

ShutUpLegs wrote:

I'd give the money to Help For Heroes because I like chandeliers

Good boy, Keep giving to HfH. Charity has helped a few of my comrades.

Monty Dog

Understand the different between the Livestrong .com and .org before you start giving your money. There are many good cancer causes where the majority of money goes towards research or treatment programmes rather than spending most of the money promoting itself.

VTech

Its amazing how the wrongs of one can affect so many.
I like to view this in a slightly different way, he did wrong granted, but he did a lot of good, the charity however (as far as I am aware) have never had any blemish, there is no history of corruption or irregularities with funds ?
I would buy one, I would wear one, life goes on.

ilm_zero7

jordan_217 wrote:

No. Thats pre and post scandal too.
)

+1

Anonymous

SmoggySteve wrote:

CambsNewbie wrote:

No. Even if given to me for free. As a brand too tarnished with lance's fallout.

Yeah, Screw them Cancer sufferers. Just because Lance has ruined everything he had to do with cycling, any charity is deserving of publicity. I would hate to see people shun it just because they have a grudge against the founder.

There are plenty of other cancer charities.
Personally I think people should shun it because of what it's founder has done!
We need more accountability in this world.

We are talking about buying a t-shirt, not donating to charity anyway.

In answer to the original question, no, I would not buy anything Livestrong.
I probably never would have, and certainly would not now.

CambsNewbie

SmoggySteve wrote:

CambsNewbie wrote:

No. Even if given to me for free. As a brand too tarnished with lance's fallout.

Yeah, Screw them Cancer sufferers. Just because Lance has ruined everything he had to do with cycling, any charity is deserving of publicity. I would hate to see people shun it just because they have a grudge against the founder.

Yeah screw my mother who died of cancer when I was a baby, my father who although didn't die of cancer had it, two of my grandparents and countless other extended family members. Screw the lot of them.

What my point was by being so closely associated with Lance and basking in his glory in the good times, Livestrong as a brand have in my eyes become tarnished in his downfall. There are many other cancer charities out there I prefer to support and would rather wear their t-shirt.

smoggysteve

CambsNewbie wrote:

SmoggySteve wrote:

CambsNewbie wrote:

No. Even if given to me for free. As a brand too tarnished with lance's fallout.

Yeah, Screw them Cancer sufferers. Just because Lance has ruined everything he had to do with cycling, any charity is deserving of publicity. I would hate to see people shun it just because they have a grudge against the founder.

Yeah screw my mother who died of cancer when I was a baby, my father who although didn't die of cancer had it, two of my grandparents and countless other extended family members. Screw the lot of them.

What my point was by being so closely associated with Lance and basking in his glory in the good times, Livestrong as a brand have in my eyes become tarnished in his downfall. There are many other cancer charities out there I prefer to support and would rather wear their t-shirt.

And the workers and volunteers from that organisation? What about them? What did they do wrong? Lance Armstrong has nothing to do with Livestrong anymore. So why make the people who still do suffer for his actions. You can condemn him all you want but these are other people we are talking about who are working for a worthy cause and people want to cut them loose because of the actions of another.

CambsNewbie

SmoggySteve wrote:

CambsNewbie wrote:

SmoggySteve wrote:

CambsNewbie wrote:

No. Even if given to me for free. As a brand too tarnished with lance's fallout.

Yeah, Screw them Cancer sufferers. Just because Lance has ruined everything he had to do with cycling, any charity is deserving of publicity. I would hate to see people shun it just because they have a grudge against the founder.

Yeah screw my mother who died of cancer when I was a baby, my father who although didn't die of cancer had it, two of my grandparents and countless other extended family members. Screw the lot of them.

What my point was by being so closely associated with Lance and basking in his glory in the good times, Livestrong as a brand have in my eyes become tarnished in his downfall. There are many other cancer charities out there I prefer to support and would rather wear their t-shirt.

And the workers and volunteers from that organisation? What about them? What did they do wrong? Lance Armstrong has nothing to do with Livestrong anymore. So why make the people who still do suffer for his actions. You can condemn him all you want but these are other people we are talking about who are working for a worthy cause and people want to cut them loose because of the actions of another.

While I feel sorry for anyone who might loose their job because of the Lance fallout, even as he was being stripped of his titles and it was all falling apart they (Livestrong) were still hanging on for dear life. I remember seeing something on the news last year when it all imploded and there was a Livestrong event where they were all treating him like a hero. Has there ever been such a collective head in the sand situation?

And while Lance helped Livestrong raised huge amounts (think I read $500 million somewhere) what about the other cancer charities who lost out because they couldn't compete with the Livestrong publicity machine and story?

I understand what you are saying but when a charity/organisation/company so closely associates themselves to one person they run the risk of it all coming tumbling down when that person turns out to be a liar/cheat/bully.

VTech

SmoggySteve wrote:

CambsNewbie wrote:

SmoggySteve wrote:

CambsNewbie wrote:

No. Even if given to me for free. As a brand too tarnished with lance's fallout.

Yeah, Screw them Cancer sufferers. Just because Lance has ruined everything he had to do with cycling, any charity is deserving of publicity. I would hate to see people shun it just because they have a grudge against the founder.

Yeah screw my mother who died of cancer when I was a baby, my father who although didn't die of cancer had it, two of my grandparents and countless other extended family members. Screw the lot of them.

What my point was by being so closely associated with Lance and basking in his glory in the good times, Livestrong as a brand have in my eyes become tarnished in his downfall. There are many other cancer charities out there I prefer to support and would rather wear their t-shirt.

And the workers and volunteers from that organisation? What about them? What did they do wrong? Lance Armstrong has nothing to do with Livestrong anymore. So why make the people who still do suffer for his actions. You can condemn him all you want but these are other people we are talking about who are working for a worthy cause and people want to cut them loose because of the actions of another.

Thats such a great point. Its always the "little people" who suffer.
Look at the horsemeat scandal, thousands will be out of work within weeks, we already have 900 out of work as 2 places have closed yet the staff were more than likely unaware of the ills of the management.
The problem is, as has been proven above, people in general do not disassociate the bad from the good.

VTech

CambsNewbie wrote:

SmoggySteve wrote:

CambsNewbie wrote:

SmoggySteve wrote:

CambsNewbie wrote:

No. Even if given to me for free. As a brand too tarnished with lance's fallout.

Yeah, Screw them Cancer sufferers. Just because Lance has ruined everything he had to do with cycling, any charity is deserving of publicity. I would hate to see people shun it just because they have a grudge against the founder.

Yeah screw my mother who died of cancer when I was a baby, my father who although didn't die of cancer had it, two of my grandparents and countless other extended family members. Screw the lot of them.

What my point was by being so closely associated with Lance and basking in his glory in the good times, Livestrong as a brand have in my eyes become tarnished in his downfall. There are many other cancer charities out there I prefer to support and would rather wear their t-shirt.

And the workers and volunteers from that organisation? What about them? What did they do wrong? Lance Armstrong has nothing to do with Livestrong anymore. So why make the people who still do suffer for his actions. You can condemn him all you want but these are other people we are talking about who are working for a worthy cause and people want to cut them loose because of the actions of another.

While I feel sorry for anyone who might loose their job because of the Lance fallout, even as he was being stripped of his titles and it was all falling apart they (Livestrong) were still hanging on for dear life. I remember seeing something on the news last year when it all imploded and there was a Livestrong event where they were all treating him like a hero. Has there ever been such a collective head in the sand situation?

And while Lance helped Livestrong raised huge amounts (think I read $500 million somewhere) what about the other cancer charities who lost out because they couldn't compete with the Livestrong publicity machine and story?

I understand what you are saying but when a charity/organisation/company so closely associates themselves to one person they run the risk of it all coming tumbling down when that person turns out to be a liar/cheat/bully.

I dont think anyone lost out ? The money still went to those who needed it, just through a different source ?

Froomes Edgar

Yes, just because it would p!ss idiots off

Azhar

Well I have a livestrong hoodie that I bought a good few years ago, special offer at the time u see. I still wear it. Nobody gives a 5hite and I stay warm on the cold and rainy days.

Anonymous

So is anyone pro Livestrong actually donating their own cash or raising money for this charity, as opposed to just buying an item of cycle gear because they like it?

I do not want to support Livestrong.
If I am bad for that then everyone not supporting every half decent charity out there, is as bad as me!

toasted whippet

Have two, now both under the sink being used for bike cleaning.

Secteur

I have a really really nice Livestrong longsleeve running top which i just wear for casual wear (way too nice to run in!), which i bought from the US.

I must admit, i have definitely had an internal tug of war when deciding to wear it or not!

danlikesbikes

Carbonator wrote:

So is anyone pro Livestrong actually donating their own cash or raising money for this charity, as opposed to just buying an item of cycle gear because they like it?

I do not want to support Livestrong.
If I am bad for that then everyone not supporting every half decent charity out there, is as bad as me!

But in buying the cycle gear you are "donating" your cash and raising money for them whether you like the gear or not as the money raised goes towards the live strong.org charity aims

macleod113

Yes i would still wear one. i also wear Mellow Johnny's kit. i dont give a fig what anyone else thinks about what im wearing. if you like it then do it

Raffles

how many non-cycling joe publics would even link lance to livestrong ?

danlikesbikes

Raffles wrote:

how many non-cycling joe publics would even link lance to livestrong ?

Hopefully in a months none will so they can get back to raising much needed fund's to help those in need.

negativelycra

I wouldn't, but thats because I completely fail tro see the point in cancer awareness. I'm pretty sure those affected y it are aware it's bloody horrible, being more aware doesn't change that.
IMO PICR, CRUK, Macmillan, or any other cancer research charity is well worth supporting in front of an orginisation that seemingly exists with the primary focus of advertising itself.

Anonymous

Danlikesbikes wrote:

Carbonator wrote:

So is anyone pro Livestrong actually donating their own cash or raising money for this charity, as opposed to just buying an item of cycle gear because they like it?

I do not want to support Livestrong.
If I am bad for that then everyone not supporting every half decent charity out there, is as bad as me!

But in buying the cycle gear you are "donating" your cash and raising money for them whether you like the gear or not as the money raised goes towards the live strong.org charity aims

Raising some money yes. But its not donating imo.
I dont think many people buy Livestrong stuff because its charitable. They buy it because they like the colour or want to be assossiated with Lance Armstrong.
If people like the charity so much they should give it their cash or ask others for sponsorship, not buy something that they want.

dodgy

Danlikesbikes wrote:

Raffles wrote:

how many non-cycling joe publics would even link lance to livestrong ?

Hopefully in a months none will so they can get back to raising much needed fund's to help those in need.

Serious question, what does Livestrong.com and Livestrong.org do, tangibly, for those in need?

Froomes Edgar

dodgy wrote:

Danlikesbikes wrote:

Raffles wrote:

how many non-cycling joe publics would even link lance to livestrong ?

Hopefully in a months none will so they can get back to raising much needed fund's to help those in need.

Serious question, what does Livestrong.com and Livestrong.org do, tangibly, for those in need?

They raise awareness of cancer. There's still at least one adult in the world who doesn't know what cancer is, and by CHRIST the livestrong execs are going to jet all over the world to find him.

dodgy

If only there can be no one that hasn't heard of cancer, that will be progress