Hidden strava scores.

smoggysteve
smoggysteve Posts: 2,909
edited February 2013 in Road general
Has this happened to anyone else?

I got a message on my phone this morning informing me that one of my KOM times had been beaten. No sweat, I can see what they got and try and beat it again some time. Only, when I log on and see the time, it was set in June 2011! How the hell can people just throw in times retrospectivly from nearly 2 years ago? Roads change all the time. There is a junction on the climb I'm talking about that was only added a year ago when the road was resurfaced in parts. This is not the same climb anymore. I had to slow down twice on it for traffic where 2 years ago maybe you didn't.

I think it cheapens it a bit if someone from 2 years ago can pull the rug from under you.

Comments

  • It may be that the person has just joined Strava and it has uploaded loads of data from thier Garmin. When I first joined strava it uploaded about 2 years worth of rides.
  • Omar Little
    Omar Little Posts: 2,010
    Yeah just someone uploading old data

    Look at it this way, the road might have changed thus making current times a bit slower but if he has just signed up then he wouldnt have known there was a segment there when he originally had the ride and wouldnt have targetted it and just passed over it as part of a normal ride. Those KOM have more 'glory' attached than someone going segment bashing with a huge tailwind! :D
  • smoggysteve
    smoggysteve Posts: 2,909
    Should be a time limit on uploading was my argument. As I say the roads change. How can you compare an old route it its got new features, speed bumps, junctions etc.
  • I've had a few odd strava emails - its some bizarre strava spam - one of my local koms was lost to a guy in america who didnt even ride the segment - but with the added line 'why not follow' the rider.
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  • smoggysteve
    smoggysteve Posts: 2,909
    I personally don't mind losing times, as I know I'm fitter now so I could go and retake the runs I did easily. Time that beat me was only 20 seconds better TBH. Still think its a bit unfair on others if they lose out on a route that has changed a fair bit over time.

    It also means there are times out there that are unlikely to ever be beaten not because the rider was the best but because everyone else are penalised with added obstacles.
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    Should be a time limit on uploading was my argument. As I say the roads change. How can you compare an old route it its got new features, speed bumps, junctions etc.

    Indeed. Same thing with the IOM TT races. Everyone keeps setting faster average speed laps but the course is not the same as it was 20 years ago.

    Cheats the lot of em :P
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  • someone sounds a bit buthurt.
  • Most of the Strava KOM's are set by people on EPO anyway :mrgreen:
  • This is why I dont get too hung up about Strava. If I lose a KOM then ill try to get it back when im feeling up for it and competitive. A lot of times, if I am enjoting the ride, I wont bother.
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  • A KOM would be great, but beating your own time on the segment is really what its all about, no? Knowing you beat yourself has to give you greater satisfaction surely? It does me. You never really know if you are riding like for like. Did they have a tailwind, were they in a group, were they being paced up by their mates transit van!!?? I cant control any of that.
  • I think we need a word with the local councils. Strava segments should obviously have a protection order placed upon them to prevent future infrastructure upgrades/changes. Councils definitely shouldn't be allowed to undermine Strava times.

    (wink)
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  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    What Strava needs is more segments created
  • The only Strava segment times I'm really interested in are me and the guys I ride with and then it's only because it provides a bit of banter.. I know nothing about any of the other riders so thier times are irrelevant. I had some ok times on a couple of Surrey hills, the TOB went through them last year and now about the top 15 places are all from that day. Which goes to show that although we may think we're ok at hills we are all punters compared to these guys although it is impressive to see thier times against mine.
    I see strava more as a 'diary' and data storage for my riding than I do chasing times up hills.
  • KOM's should have Heart Rate attached IMO. Ones without are highly suspicious!

    You cannot get your HR up to 180 in a car or on a motorbike! (Well maybe but you would need a female present...)
  • lawrences
    lawrences Posts: 1,011
    Can we have a link to the segment please.
  • KOM's should have Heart Rate attached IMO. Ones without are highly suspicious!


    ?? Only if you are using a HRM - I rarely use mine as its too much hassle and I don't ride to it anyway.

    Someone putting out 340W with a HR of 65, now that would be suspicious!
  • You're taking it way too seriously. Why do you think races exist? How long ago it was ridden doesn't even matter.. There's weather conditions, groups vs. solo, traffic, etc.. For all I know that segment is yet another one of the million segments that shouldn't even exist. Even more so if it has junctions and a decent amount of traffic in the middle.

    Even if it were to be changed, what do you even suggest here? People monitoring the road conditions just for Strava? And then what? Multiple segments inside the same segment? With multiple KOMs?

    If you consider the segment dangerous just flag it. I had KOM on a segment for a long time, but then a road was created and a junction and some lights were added in the middle of the segment, turning it into a dangerous one. I flagged it and asked a couple of people to do it as well and it was removed since they agreed it wasn't safe anymore. Sure I lost a KOM because the segment was deleted, but who cares? I don't..
  • NewTTer
    NewTTer Posts: 463
    I personally don't mind losing times, as I know I'm fitter now so I could go and retake the runs I did easily. Time that beat me was only 20 seconds better TBH. Still think its a bit unfair on others if they lose out on a route that has changed a fair bit over time.

    It also means there are times out there that are unlikely to ever be beaten not because the rider was the best but because everyone else are penalised with added obstacles.
    SO what exactly has changed on that particular segment that has made it circa 20 secs slower?
  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    Lightning wrote:
    You're taking it way too seriously. Why do you think races exist? How long ago it was ridden doesn't even matter.. There's weather conditions, groups vs. solo, traffic, etc.. For all I know that segment is yet another one of the million segments that shouldn't even exist. Even more so if it has junctions and a decent amount of traffic in the middle.

    Even if it were to be changed, what do you even suggest here? People monitoring the road conditions just for Strava? And then what? Multiple segments inside the same segment? With multiple KOMs?

    If you consider the segment dangerous just flag it. I had KOM on a segment for a long time, but then a road was created and a junction and some lights were added in the middle of the segment, turning it into a dangerous one. I flagged it and asked a couple of people to do it as well and it was removed since they agreed it wasn't safe anymore. Sure I lost a KOM because the segment was deleted, but who cares? I don't..

    Sorry, but why flag it? So what if there is a junction - if you need to stop then just stop. Maybe you'll get lucky next time. Saying that a junction makes a segment dangerous is just ridiculous, you might as well just flag everything that isn't on a closed circuit.
  • BigMat wrote:
    Sorry, but why flag it? So what if there is a junction - if you need to stop then just stop. Maybe you'll get lucky next time. Saying that a junction makes a segment dangerous is just ridiculous, you might as well just flag everything that isn't on a closed circuit.
    Depends on the junction. Not every junction makes a segment dangerous obviously, but the one on the segment I'm talking about does. It's the only segment I ever flagged so don't think I just flag because I feel like it. I did it because I really believe it's dangerous to have a segment there now (and so do other people or it wouldn't have been removed). And yes, I know if people have some sense no segment is dangerous, but I've seen a few things I wish I didn't when fighting for KOMs.
  • ShutUpLegs wrote:
    What Strava needs is more segments created

    You know once you've done a ride you can make any part of that ride into a segment?
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    ShutUpLegs wrote:
    What Strava needs is more segments created

    You know once you've done a ride you can make any part of that ride into a segment?

    I feel that SUL's comment may have been ironic! :P
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  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    When does a descent become a 'drop' :?:
  • Strava is great, a way to share rides with mates and see how your form is coming on.

    Then people get too obsessed with it and threads like this appear.
  • dabber
    dabber Posts: 1,926
    I received a strange Strava email yesterday telling me that I had lost a KOM. In fact I wasn't the KOM on that segment and the real KOM was a friend of mine who in fact had just bettered his time. So I hadn't lost it, I never had it... and he hadn't gained another KOM but simply improved his time and retained it.

    Why the email to me? No idea. :?:
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  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    What goes around comes around... I have a load of segments on my local loop which others have posted. I generally do this as a warm up circuit so although I have done it dozens of times, I am rarely pushing it. When I am so inclined I check them out on an age related basis, and yup I am still top in my age category! A few sections have recently been retarmaced so it is now a quicker route than it was.

    As regards flagging up dangerous segs, I am aware of one through a local industrial estate which I would have regarded as quite dangerous and worth flagging. Then I realised that out of peak hours it is very quiet up there and not dangerous at all.
  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    ^^
    Did it ask you to get out there and show them who's Boss :?:
  • dabber
    dabber Posts: 1,926
    ShutUpLegs wrote:
    ^^
    Did it ask you to get out there and show them who's Boss :?:

    No, it just said "Now get out there, have fun and be safe."

    I think they are now being careful in what they say.... sad really.
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  • Dabber wrote:
    ShutUpLegs wrote:
    ^^
    Did it ask you to get out there and show them who's Boss :?:

    No, it just said "Now get out there, have fun and be safe."

    I think they are now being careful in what they say.... sad really.

    Yes, when you see that fateful email - 'uh Oh, Bradley Wiggins just stole your KOM! Hey Bernithebiker, You just lost your KOM on Everest to Bradley Wiggins by 1 second.

    Now get out there, have fun and be safe."

    That last sentence used to be something like, "You'd better get out there and get it back".

    Guess they toned it down a bit......