Di2 Road bike budget £3.5-4k

kn0bby
kn0bby Posts: 78
edited February 2013 in Road buying advice
Hi Guys

Looking for a Di2 road bike, want it to do 40-60 mile weekend rides with a few 100 mile sportives.

Any suggestions?

Cheers

Dave

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  • djhermer
    djhermer Posts: 328
    kn0bby wrote:
    Hi Guys

    Looking for a Di2 road bike, want it to do 40-60 mile weekend rides with a few 100 mile sportives.

    Any suggestions?

    Cheers

    Dave

    Cannondale Supersix Evo Ultegra Di2. Circa £3.7k. I've just gone for the SRAM Red version. Look no further.....
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    Cannondale CAAD 10 with nicer wheels and £2.5k in the bank.

    Short weekend rides and the odd sportive is well within the capabilty of much more reasonably priced machines.

    DI2 is a gimmick :shock:
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    Sportives? A Trek would be perfect. Don't listen to the haterz, Di2 is a great gimmick.
  • kn0bby
    kn0bby Posts: 78
    I know I want Di2. Not a fan of maintaining bikes myself, and hate the way gears degrade and noisy gears is a pet hate. I know Di2 solves this, this the reason for going for it. Plus I love gadgets. :)

    I been looking down the Scott CR1 Premium and Trek Domane 5.9?
  • djhermer
    djhermer Posts: 328
    smidsy wrote:
    Cannondale CAAD 10 with nicer wheels and £2.5k in the bank.

    Short weekend rides and the odd sportive is well within the capabilty of much more reasonably priced machines.

    DI2 is a gimmick :shock:

    But he didnt ask for opinions on Di2 and whether or not it's a gimmick, value for money etc. The fella quite clearly has £3.5-4k to spend on a bike and wants Di2.

    But I agree to a degree Smidsy. That's why I went for SRAM Red and kept £200 in the bank! :)
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    kn0bby wrote:
    1.Not a fan of maintaining bikes myself, and hate the way gears degrade and noisy gears is a pet hate. 2. I know Di2 solves this, this the reason for going for it.

    1. So you are going to buy a bike that has more complicated mechanisms that can go wrong and need maintenance.
    2. Di2 will not solve degrading gears. It is merely an alternative way of shifting the chain. All other mechanics are the same and will still degrade.
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    kn0bby wrote:
    I know I want Di2. Not a fan of maintaining bikes myself, and hate the way gears degrade and noisy gears is a pet hate. I know Di2 solves this, this the reason for going for it. Plus I love gadgets. :)

    I been looking down the Scott CR1 Premium and Trek Domane 5.9?

    Scott, you will never hear a bad word about the CR1
  • majormantra
    majormantra Posts: 2,094
    Canyon?

    Di2 isn't going to lube your chain for you mind.
  • EPO Delivery Man
    EPO Delivery Man Posts: 271
    smidsy wrote:
    Cannondale CAAD 10 with nicer wheels and £2.5k in the bank.

    Short weekend rides and the odd sportive is well within the capabilty of much more reasonably priced machines.

    DI2 is a gimmick :shock:


    Says the Cannondale fanboy whos never even tried it :)
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    EPO Delivery Man wrote:
    smidsy wrote:
    Cannondale CAAD 10 with nicer wheels and £2.5k in the bank.

    Short weekend rides and the odd sportive is well within the capabilty of much more reasonably priced machines.

    DI2 is a gimmick :shock:


    Says the Cannondale fanboy whos never even tried it :)

    Once again so many assumptions!!
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • EPO Delivery Man
    EPO Delivery Man Posts: 271
    smidsy wrote:
    kn0bby wrote:
    1.Not a fan of maintaining bikes myself, and hate the way gears degrade and noisy gears is a pet hate. 2. I know Di2 solves this, this the reason for going for it.

    1. So you are going to buy a bike that has more complicated mechanisms that can go wrong and need maintenance.
    2. Di2 will not solve degrading gears. It is merely an alternative way of shifting the chain. All other mechanics are the same and will still degrade.


    Smidsy, you really are showing your ignorance now about Di2 with comments like that, they need way less maintenance than regular cable systems due to the front mech having auto-trim. This cuts a lot of the problems out with regards rear mech problems too. Ive had cable and Di2 and i barely touch the Di2 in terms of maintenance, but i was forever making minor adjustments to cable systems.

    Also you state they are more complicated (which they arent) then state all other mechanics are the same. So what is it?

    You dont like Di2 because you cant afford it. Fine, we get that. But i suggest lifting your head away from the Cannondale section off the Evans website, and go and get a well paid job rather than just being a keyboard warrior offering shjte advice.
  • EPO Delivery Man
    EPO Delivery Man Posts: 271
    smidsy wrote:
    EPO Delivery Man wrote:
    smidsy wrote:
    Cannondale CAAD 10 with nicer wheels and £2.5k in the bank.

    Short weekend rides and the odd sportive is well within the capabilty of much more reasonably priced machines.

    DI2 is a gimmick :shock:


    Says the Cannondale fanboy whos never even tried it :)

    Once again so many assumptions!!

    Once again, letting your ego rule your intelligence. Im out of here. :roll:
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    EPO Delivery Man wrote:
    Once again, letting your ego rule your intelligence. Im out of here. :roll:

    Bye :D
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    Why do you want to spend so much, it seems like overkill for a few sportives ?
    Smarter than the average bear.
  • supermurph09
    supermurph09 Posts: 2,471
    £1500 on an MTB last month and now £4k on a road bike, whatever you are doing well done!!!
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  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    EPO Delivery Man wrote:
    You dont like Di2 because you cant afford it. Fine, we get that. But i suggest lifting your head away from the Cannondale section off the Evans website, and go and get a well paid job rather than just being a keyboard warrior offering shjte advice.

    I somehow missed this particular post of yours. I was thinking that I would just start ignoring your posts as they are never very informative or polite. Hell they are not even witty. But the paragraph above has actually made me realise that you are really rather unpleasant, presumably that is your best trait.

    I have said a few times now, that you make rather a lot of assumptions about people that you have never even spoken to let alone met. This latest string of accusations only proves this theory.

    I have never assumed anything of you and have certainly not resorted to personal insults. Fair enough you may disagree with certain advice, that is par for the course. I certainly disagree with yours.

    I may somethimes give a bit of banter and I accept banter in my direction, but your are on another (negative) level.

    I offer advice and opinion based on experience (unless I state otherwise) and where people ask sensible questions that I think I can assist with I do so.

    I accept that you will disagree with everything I say, but please, at least offer something to the forum aside from the nonsense that you so regularly display.

    I am now adding you to my ignore list and am closing this exchange.
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • kn0bby
    kn0bby Posts: 78
    Thanks for the advice.

    Sounds like the CR1 is still my top option.

    Yep purchases a new mountain bike end of last year and now buying a new road bike. I earn good money and love cycling. It's getting me fitter so why not spend it hey.
  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    smidsy wrote:
    EPO Delivery Man wrote:
    Once again, letting your ego rule your intelligence. Im out of here. :roll:

    Bye :D

    Was this a Flounce :?:
  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    ShutUpLegs wrote:
    smidsy wrote:
    EPO Delivery Man wrote:
    Once again, letting your ego rule your intelligence. Im out of here. :roll:

    Bye :D

    Was this a Flounce :?:

    flounce
    /flouns/Verb
    1.Go or move in an exaggeratedly impatient or angry manner: "he stood up in a fury and flounced out".
    2.Trimmed with a flounce or flounces.

    Noun
    1.An exaggerated action, typically intended to express one's annoyance or impatience.
    2.A wide ornamental strip of material gathered and sewn to a piece of fabric; a frill.

    Possibly. :evil:
    Yellow is the new Black.
  • djhermer
    djhermer Posts: 328
    kn0bby wrote:
    Thanks for the advice.

    Sounds like the CR1 is still my top option.

    Yep purchases a new mountain bike end of last year and now buying a new road bike. I earn good money and love cycling. It's getting me fitter so why not spend it hey.

    Seriously consider the Supersix Evo. Independent reviews and tests are full of praise. Less objective opinions - like mine - are also full of praise. It is a highly regarded frame and setup and with the Ultegra Di2 fits into your budget nicely.

    I don't work for Cannondale and am not myopic in my views of their product. I've owned several different bikes and have no reason to recommend that you consider it other than - in my opinion - it's worthy of consideration.

    You can find the detail, prices and spec on the Evans website apparently :wink:
  • letap73
    letap73 Posts: 1,608
    Op, you should consider this - if the correct sizes are available:

    http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.p ... 7b0s6p4329

    For the odd sportive and long ride there would not be much difference in performance between the evo and the normal supersix frame.
  • djhermer
    djhermer Posts: 328
    letap73 wrote:
    Op, you should consider this - if the correct sizes are available:

    http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.p ... 7b0s6p4329

    For the odd sportive and long ride there would not be much difference in performance between the evo and the normal supersix frame.

    Bargain. Interesting, as the pre-sale price was £3.5k, which would suggest it is an EVO frame. Also, on the C'dale website, it's clear that they only install Di2 onto the Evo frame. Standard Ultegra only on the non-Evo frame. Of course, Pauls Cycles could have built it up themselves using the non-Evo frame, which would suggest they're being liberal with the pre-sale price.

    Still, at that price whichever frame it is that is a good buy. You just need to know what you're actually buying.
  • LegendLust
    LegendLust Posts: 1,022
    antfly wrote:
    Why do you want to spend so much, it seems like overkill for a few sportives ?

    Because he wants to. What's the problem?
    Selling my Legend frame
    http://owningalegend.wordpress.com/2014 ... ced-price/
  • letap73
    letap73 Posts: 1,608
    djhermer wrote:
    letap73 wrote:
    Op, you should consider this - if the correct sizes are available:

    http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.p ... 7b0s6p4329

    For the odd sportive and long ride there would not be much difference in performance between the evo and the normal supersix frame.

    Bargain. Interesting, as the pre-sale price was £3.5k, which would suggest it is an EVO frame. Also, on the C'dale website, it's clear that they only install Di2 onto the Evo frame. Standard Ultegra only on the non-Evo frame. Of course, Pauls Cycles could have built it up themselves using the non-Evo frame, which would suggest they're being liberal with the pre-sale price.

    Still, at that price whichever frame it is that is a good buy. You just need to know what you're actually buying.

    Its the 2012 model, Di2 was available on the standard supersix and its retail price was £3500. The Di2 Supersix evo frame you refer to, has been brought out this year by Cannondale and is not the hi mod evo frame used on all evo models last year (its used in the higher range models, where an even lighter nano evo frame sits above.).
  • djhermer
    djhermer Posts: 328
    letap73 wrote:
    djhermer wrote:
    letap73 wrote:
    Op, you should consider this - if the correct sizes are available:

    http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/products.p ... 7b0s6p4329

    For the odd sportive and long ride there would not be much difference in performance between the evo and the normal supersix frame.

    Bargain. Interesting, as the pre-sale price was £3.5k, which would suggest it is an EVO frame. Also, on the C'dale website, it's clear that they only install Di2 onto the Evo frame. Standard Ultegra only on the non-Evo frame. Of course, Pauls Cycles could have built it up themselves using the non-Evo frame, which would suggest they're being liberal with the pre-sale price.

    Still, at that price whichever frame it is that is a good buy. You just need to know what you're actually buying.

    Its the 2012 model, Di2 was available on the standard supersix and its retail price was £3500. The Di2 Supersix evo frame you refer to, has been brought out this year by Cannondale and is not the hi mod evo frame used on all evo models last year (its used in the higher range models, where an even lighter nano evo frame sits above.).

    Good stuff. Thanks.
  • WorcsPhil
    WorcsPhil Posts: 19
    My £0.02p

    Lat October I decided to get a new blow-out bike in this price range and decided to go Di2 also to replace my Trek which is getting a bit old and warty.

    After looking around, I went to Epic and booked myself a big 3-4 hour session getting measured and road testing 4 bikes in this range, namely the Bianchi Infinito, Scott CR1, Cannondale Supesix and Kuota Kebel (or whatever it is called now, something with a 'k').

    To be honest, although I only had a 20-25 min ride on each of them, I thought they were all fantastic, and very similar in terms of performance, although the Kebel was a little more pro-fit than the others. I suspect that bikes with a similar price range are actually quite similar, and you only get to really notice differences when you switch price bands, so I eventually went with the Bianchi, because of her killer looks. It was the best looking bike of the bunch in my opinion!

    So call me Sahllow Hal, that's what swung it for me.

    Two final points:

    Do I regret my decision? No, it goes like a dream and looks like a supermodel
    What were Epic like? Fantastic...this shop only seems to get good press in this forum (I suspect there are examples of bad press somewhere), but they deserve it all...I was there 4 hours with 4 test rides and a fitting, but I am less than a hours drive away....I certainly felt as if the choice I made fitted my bike use perfectly.

    Hope this helps...probably not
  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    Never heard a bad word about Epic tbf fair
  • kn0bby
    kn0bby Posts: 78
    I like the look of the Bianchi Infinito but it might be a little in ya face for me. I already feel like I've got a lot to prove on a bike and if I was on something like that I think it would be worse.

    I think everyone's comments is confirming my thoughts in the Scott CR1.

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