Blood Tests - Football ??

TomBombadil

Not cycling but totally related in my opinion - Just discovered there are no blood tests in Football! They are in the dark ages. I am sick of seeing cyclists as dopers when they don't even bother doing Blood Tests in other sports as they don't think Blood Tests are 'ethical''.

At some point there going to have to get clean and the quicker they do it the better - because it's going to get dirty.

Apparently - "UEFA is ready to do it, but it poses some ethical problems because everyone has to accept that they will check the blood and not everybody is ready to do that."

Just read this article and needed to vent! BBC reporting Wenger wants Blood Doping tests?!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21393156

Ahhhhhhh! :shock: :evil:

Tom

ddraver

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -edge.html

No_Ta_Doctor

Both stories are quite interesting.

Arsene Wenger has also said in the past that some of his new purchases arrived from abroad with dodgy blood values.

As an Arsenal fan I'm starting to wonder if there is a reason for our post-international dips in form.... Looking forward to getting tonked by Sunderland today :-(

gpreeves

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9858938/Arsene-Wenger-our-game-is-full-of-drug-fuelled-legends-and-needs-to-be-cleaned-up.html

Interesting thread, see the above link for a slightly expanded piece on Wenger's view. Unfortunately I have to agree with one of the comments on the article saying "Wenger is too intelligent for English soccer."

Richmond Racer

No tA Doctor wrote:

Both stories are quite interesting.

Arsene Wenger has also said in the past that some of his new purchases arrived from abroad with dodgy blood values.

As an Arsenal fan I'm starting to wonder if there is a reason for our post-international dips in form.... Looking forward to getting tonked by Sunderland today :-(

But you havent

Pross

Have a look in Road General under the Frank Schleck thread, there's some fool claiming football is clean as there have been no positive tests. He completely ignores the virtual absence of testing and complete lack of blood testing.

No_Ta_Doctor

Pross wrote:

Have a look in Road General under the Frank Schleck thread, there's some fool claiming football is clean as there have been no positive tests. He completely ignores the virtual absence of testing and complete lack of blood testing.

I've been arguing for ages with other Arsenal fans about this, the attitude is prevalent.

And no, we avoided getting tonked by Sunderland :-)

LutherB

Rafa Benitez responds. There's dodgy rumours about Alonso and i think he was a Rafa buy at Liverpool....i wonder if the rumours and the conspiracy theories that damage cycling combined with the doping itself will do the same for football over time?

http://www.london24.com/sport/chelsea/c ... _1_1892492

rob churchill

LutherB wrote:

Rafa Benitez responds. There's dodgy rumours about Alonso and i think he was a Rafa buy at Liverpool....i wonder if the rumours and the conspiracy theories that damage cycling combined with the doping itself will do the same for football over time?

http://www.london24.com/sport/chelsea/c ... _1_1892492

Given the levels of cynical on-pitch cheating that footie fans are ready to countenance, I can't see them caring about a few 'roids. Even the match-fixing will be rationalised away.

Jez mon

Ay least 90% (figure totally made up) will just rationalise it saying football is a skill based sport, so blood doping etc. doesn't have the same direct impact as it does in endurance based sports.

Some parents might be put off putting their children in a position where they might have to dope, but realistically, I don't think the doping issue will get as much traction in the press as it does when cycling is the sport. No one is dying, and no one (so far) has been left with significant health problems. This is in contrast to the early days of blood doping in cycling, and the concussion problems in American football.

mroli

Wasn't Mayweather insisting that if he fought Paccquio that there would need to be blood testing? Again - was kind of amazed that this wasn't common place in boxing. Although its not as if blood testing has stopped doping....

TomBombadil

"I count myself very lucky' says Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba upon announcing retirement following heart attack!"

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 50036.html


Wasn't this the type of problem that was seen in cycling??? Random heart events? If people have their eyes shut they will not see. Questions should be asked. Because it's out there now. If blood testing does not take place the Sports Authorities may be considered complicit in a cover up, true or not!

Not even isolated!! - Apparently cause wasn't identified??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2KRkz3rbw

and

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ack-795407


Tom

No_Ta_Doctor

TomBombadil wrote:

"I count myself very lucky' says Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba upon announcing retirement following heart attack!"

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 50036.html


Wasn't this the type of problem that was seen in cycling??? Random heart events? If people have their eyes shut they will not see. Questions should be asked. Because it's out there now. If blood testing does not take place the Sports Authorities may be considered complicit in a cover up, true or not!

Not even isolated!! - Apparently cause wasn't identified??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2KRkz3rbw

and

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ack-795407


Tom

No, it wasn't. Cyclists were dying in their beds, not on their bikes.

TomBombadil

I'm sure you are right and they are quite different, as are the sports.

Tom

rob churchill

No tA Doctor wrote:

TomBombadil wrote:

"I count myself very lucky' says Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba upon announcing retirement following heart attack!"

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 50036.html


Wasn't this the type of problem that was seen in cycling??? Random heart events? If people have their eyes shut they will not see. Questions should be asked. Because it's out there now. If blood testing does not take place the Sports Authorities may be considered complicit in a cover up, true or not!

Not even isolated!! - Apparently cause wasn't identified??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2KRkz3rbw

and

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ack-795407


Tom

No, it wasn't. Cyclists were dying in their beds, not on their bikes.

TBH, I was also planning on dying in my bed, not on my bike. But each to his own.

RichN95.

TomBombadil wrote:

"I count myself very lucky' says Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba upon announcing retirement following heart attack!"
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 50036.html
Wasn't this the type of problem that was seen in cycling??? Random heart events? If people have their eyes shut they will not see. Questions should be asked. Because it's out there now. If blood testing does not take place the Sports Authorities may be considered complicit in a cover up, true or not!

Not even isolated!! - Apparently cause wasn't identified??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2KRkz3rbw
and
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ack-795407
Tom

It's actually surprisingly common. On average a dozen people under 30 die that way every week in Britain alone.

Richmond Racer

rob churchill wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

TomBombadil wrote:

"I count myself very lucky' says Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba upon announcing retirement following heart attack!"

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 50036.html


Wasn't this the type of problem that was seen in cycling??? Random heart events? If people have their eyes shut they will not see. Questions should be asked. Because it's out there now. If blood testing does not take place the Sports Authorities may be considered complicit in a cover up, true or not!

Not even isolated!! - Apparently cause wasn't identified??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2KRkz3rbw

and

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ack-795407


Tom

No, it wasn't. Cyclists were dying in their beds, not on their bikes.

TBH, I was also planning on dying in my bed, not on my bike. But each to his own.

I'm planning on riding up the Alpe in Jul. My hopes arent high for dying in my bed tbh.

cornerblock

Richmond Racer wrote:

I'm planning on riding up the Alpe in Jul. My hopes arent high for dying in my bed tbh.

There are ways!

Richmond Racer

Cornerblock wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

I'm planning on riding up the Alpe in Jul. My hopes arent high for dying in my bed tbh.

There are ways!

Lordy!

dougzz

Simples. The more money in a sport the more likely there is doping. Football, Tennis, Golf, MLB, NFL, and NBA.

No_Ta_Doctor

dougzz wrote:

Simples. The more money in a sport the more likely there is doping. Football, Tennis, Golf, MLB, NFL, and NBA.

An important factor, true, but the entire equation includes how much sporting advantage there is to gain, how much there is to lose if caught, how likely it is to get caught, that there are established pathways to doping (e.g. through "grey areas" of medical practice, staff that act as enablers etc.) and not least the prevailing culture within the sport.

That certainly doesn't suggest any of the sports you name aren't likely to be dirty as hell though. Football is massively at risk, it ticks all the boxes.

dougzz

I know for you the right side of North London is the wrong side but did you notice the recent fuss about Defoe and the blood spinning, can you imagine if this was a cyclist. Mention of growth hormone and spinning alone would have people reaching for pitch forks. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/190803.html#

No_Ta_Doctor

dougzz wrote:

I know for you the right side of North London is the wrong side but did you notice the recent fuss about Defoe and the blood spinning, can you imagine if this was a cyclist. Mention of growth hormone and spinning alone would have people reaching for pitch forks. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/190803.html#

I did see that, yes.

To be honest, if it's genuine medical treatment I don't have an issue with it. It's pretty much only because it involves taking a very small amount of blood out of the body and putting it back in again that it even raises an eyebrow. I don't think it would confer any performance improvement on a healthy athlete (I'll happily listen to other opinion, I'm no expert) so it doesn't worry me at all.

PS - the only way NE London is the "right" side of London is if you're talking about where it is on a map ;-)
PPS - Spurs were in Middlesex when they were founded, it was only the redrawing of the London boundaries that brought them inside!