PDM dopage
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
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Squeaky Dutch bum time0
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Hardly a surprise given the whole '91 Tour thing. From a quick scan there doesn't appear to be anything on Kelly in there but I assume it covers the time frame when he was there.0
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Kelly was still at KAS in 1988, although I wouldn't for a moment suggest PDM were clean from 1989 onwards!0
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Google translate fail (i hope)Breeding is a meticulous man who understands his profession. He groped for years the best cycling legs Netherlands has to offerSaracen Tenet 3 - 2015 - Dead - Replaced with a Hack Frame
Voodoo Bizango - 2014 - Dead - Hit by a car
Vitus Sentier VRS - 20170 -
prawny wrote:Google translate fail (i hope)Breeding is a meticulous man who understands his profession. He groped for years the best cycling legs Netherlands has to offer
Could explain why so many riders turned to drugs...0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:prawny wrote:Google translate fail (i hope)Breeding is a meticulous man who understands his profession. He groped for years the best cycling legs Netherlands has to offer
Could explain why so many riders turned to drugs...
Alternatively, maybe google translated Chasey as Breeding, I don't speak freaky deaky dutch.Saracen Tenet 3 - 2015 - Dead - Replaced with a Hack Frame
Voodoo Bizango - 2014 - Dead - Hit by a car
Vitus Sentier VRS - 20170 -
Christ, at this rate agencies like UKAD will be interviewing Colin Lewis and anyone else still living who threw their legs over a bike and raced pro :roll:
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RichN95 wrote:Who actually gives a toss what happened in 1988?
This lot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988#DeathsSaracen Tenet 3 - 2015 - Dead - Replaced with a Hack Frame
Voodoo Bizango - 2014 - Dead - Hit by a car
Vitus Sentier VRS - 20170 -
Inviting all the Tour de France finishers to the 100th edition is just a ruse for a massive investigation. Apparently, there's a 92 year willing to spill the beans on a top ten finisher from 1954.Richmond Racer wrote:Christ, at this rate agencies like UKAD will be interviewing Colin Lewis and anyone else still living who threw their legs over a bike and raced pro :roll:
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RichN95 wrote:
Inviting all the Tour de France finishers to the 100th edition is just a ruse for a massive investigation. Apparently, there's a 92 year willing to spill the beans on a top ten finisher from 1954.Richmond Racer wrote:Christ, at this rate agencies like UKAD will be interviewing Colin Lewis and anyone else still living who threw their legs over a bike and raced pro :roll:
Enuff already
Hopefuly they'll go after these guys and their nefarious endurance cigarettes
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RichN95 wrote:Who actually gives a toss what happened in 1988?
People who claimed back in 1988 that pro cyclists were clean need this sort of thing rammed down their throats. Same way it should be rammed down your throat when you discover all your heroes from today turn out to be a bunch of cheats.
You should give a toss, there is a lot to be learned from the past. Today's team owners and coaches and administrators were around in 1988 for a start.0 -
white noise white noise0
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The Dutch and Belgian Federations and AD agencies are going to working 24/7 at this rate
Thomas Dekker saying he'll now co-operate and cough up who's and how's from Rabobank days0 -
If you're going around gloating and saying 'I told you so' to people from 25 years ago then you are a sad, strange little man and you have my pity*.Trev The Rev wrote:RichN95 wrote:Who actually gives a toss what happened in 1988?
People who claimed back in 1988 that pro cyclists were clean need this sort of thing rammed down their throats. Same way it should be rammed down your throat when you discover all your heroes from today turn out to be a bunch of cheats.
While you're on your rounds make sure all those that said Kylie's pop career wouldn't last, the Berlin Wall is here to stay and Apple are better off without Steve Jobs also get it rammed down their throats.
*this is a quote from a film seven years in your future. Even though it's a cartoon I would highly recommend it.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Who actually gives a toss what happened in 1998?RichN95 wrote:Who actually gives a toss what happened in 1988?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:The Dutch and Belgian Federations and AD agencies are going to working 24/7 at this rate
Thomas Dekker saying he'll now co-operate and cough up who's and how's from Rabobank days
I told you so.0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:
If it leads to some sort of charge against guys who juiced up kids to the extent they died in their sleep, then I'm all for it."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Trev The Rev wrote:RichN95 wrote:Who actually gives a toss what happened in 1988?
People who claimed back in 1988 that pro cyclists were clean need this sort of thing rammed down their throats.
Who claimed that ? I remember 88 - and I didnt think it was clean.0 -
cougie wrote:Trev The Rev wrote:RichN95 wrote:Who actually gives a toss what happened in 1988?
People who claimed back in 1988 that pro cyclists were clean need this sort of thing rammed down their throats.
Who claimed that ? I remember 88 - and I didnt think it was clean.
It was about the time that House music and raves started so definitely wasn't clean, Es getting popped everywhere you looked.0 -
One of those listed actually tested positive at the 1988 Tour (he got deducted 10 minutes as punishment)cougie wrote:Trev The Rev wrote:RichN95 wrote:Who actually gives a toss what happened in 1988?
People who claimed back in 1988 that pro cyclists were clean need this sort of thing rammed down their throats.
Who claimed that ? I remember 88 - and I didnt think it was clean.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Respect for Gerrie Knetemann, only one of those 9 1988 PDM tour de france riders to have refused doping. Gives that 1978 world champs sprint win against Moser extra shine.0
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What, you knew about PED's back then. :?:cougie wrote:Who claimed that ? I remember 88 - and I didnt think it was clean.
That was a momentous year for me, when I changed from involvement in English domestic cycle racing to being free to spectate the continental racing scene whenever I felt like it and I got out on the bike some more and lost a stone or so in weight.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
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deejay wrote:What, you knew about PED's back then. :?:
I started watching cycling in 1988, just after the Delgado thing was in the press, so I never had any sense that it was all clean.0 -
I think we should get BADA and FADA to open a case on Anquetil and Eddy M. Lifebans back dated. Who cares about 25 years ago?0
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I think it matters to people who followed Cycling back then.
I must admit that Lemond was my hero at the time and I read all his books but didn't know about him being on PDM. I guess that if PDM was full of drugs, as some suggest; that would have meant that Lemond was in and around all that. Lemond is presently gunning for the top job in Cycling so the past is important.
Plus a lot of riders from that era are still heavily involved in the back round of bike racing; pulling the strings.
Neil Stephens, Yates, Breukink, Kelly, Sunderland and many others are all on the payroll of Teams.
Just a note, the most informative people in Cycling are the older boys on bikes who go out on a Sunday. They have stories that you'll never hear on this Forum. Top blokes!
Quick question- When PDM dropped out of the Tour de France in the early nineties it was said to be food poisoning at the time. I heard rumours about a dodgy batch of EPO might have been the cause. What's the latest on that? Any more confessions from the past?
-Jerry“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein
"You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
-Jacques Anquetil0
