Saddest thing about Lance Armstrong
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The only positive outcome is the testing might get even more strict.0
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The UCI woman got it right when she called him a pathological liar. If anyone gets duped by the Lance Love-in then he's won.
He didn't reveal all to lose.'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0 -
Manc33 wrote:The only positive outcome is the testing might get even more strict.
It IS getting better but when Lance lies to USADA about where he is going to be for drug testing and sometimes just hides when they call alongside other diversionary measures then drug users will always be one step or more ahead of the testers.
Because you haven't read Secret Race by Tyler Hamilton I'll let you in on a secret to avoid testing: live in Spain.
Over there, they allow their athletes privacy rather than 24/7 testing so they don't allow testing between 10 at night and 6 in the morning. Sounds ok doesn't it? Invasion of privacy and all that.
All this means is that at 10.01, professional sportsmen and women can intravenously inject themselves with drugs which won't have left a trace by 6 a.m the next morning. This is called "micro-dosing" and means you can inject with impunity over the course of a few days knowing you won't test positive.
Brilliant eh?
Mind you, when unethical doctors are earning upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars a year from their clients to circumnavigate the rules, ethical medical staff employed by testing authorities on an average wage will never be able to catch those who don't wish to be caught.0 -
You know you only have to account for your whereabouts for 1 hour per day, right? So you can only be done for a missed test if you're not where you said you'd be for that hourFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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SmoggySteve wrote:I just think that of all the doping he has been found guilty of, there are the doctors, trainers, suppliers, team staff - riders and backroom, and anyone else who knew about it, who will get away with it even though they are just as guilty for damaging the sport.
Backroom staff - Emma O'Reilly. She knew about it, testified about it and got called an alcholic whore for her troubles
Riders -
Levi Leipheimer - sanction, loss of results over an 8 year period, sacked from his team
Floyd Landis - sanction, loss of Tour De France title, now personally liable for $500,000 for obtaining money by deception (Floyd Fairness Fund)
Tyler Hamilton, sanction, loss of Olympic title amongst other results
Hincapie, Van De Velde, Danielson, Zabriskie - sanctions and loss of results for 2 year period
USADA charging letter - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 04154.html
So that's Lance and Johan Bruyneel as team owners then the doctors and trainers known as Dr Michele Ferrari, Dr Pedro Celaya, Dr Luis Garcia Del Moral and Mr Pepe Marti.
Some of them have received lifetime bans already, some like Bruyneel are awaiting their cases to be heard.
I'd say USADA have been pretty diligent in going after the whole operation and not letting people get away with it don't you?0 -
Matchstick Man wrote:Manc33 wrote:The only positive outcome is the testing might get even more strict.
It IS getting better but when Lance lies to USADA about where he is going to be for drug testing and sometimes just hides when they call alongside other diversionary measures then drug users will always be one step or more ahead of the testers.
Because you haven't read Secret Race by Tyler Hamilton I'll let you in on a secret to avoid testing: live in Spain.
Over there, they allow their athletes privacy rather than 24/7 testing so they don't allow testing between 10 at night and 6 in the morning. Sounds ok doesn't it? Invasion of privacy and all that.
All this means is that at 10.01, professional sportsmen and women can intravenously inject themselves with drugs which won't have left a trace by 6 a.m the next morning. This is called "micro-dosing" and means you can inject with impunity over the course of a few days knowing you won't test positive.
Brilliant eh?
Mind you, when unethical doctors are earning upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars a year from their clients to circumnavigate the rules, ethical medical staff employed by testing authorities on an average wage will never be able to catch those who don't wish to be caught.
Actually it was France with the law that they had at one time i.e. the time of which Hamilton and Coyle were recounting, re no testing after 10pm and before 6am.
That law has since been ditched - France seriously tighted up its AD efforts.
In fact I dont know that any countries have such a ridiculous law any more. Pros I follow on Twitter tweet of having testers turn up at 4am/5am etc.
Whn someone recounts their experience of how things were xx years ago, it's necessarily an accurate reflection of how things are now.0 -
Hamilton lived in Girona though, not France0
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"The best way to hide, though, was simply by reducing glowtime to a minimum. Because the best, most liberating rule of drug testing is this: the testers can only visit you between 7 a.m. and 10 p,m. This means that you can take anything you like, as long as it leaves your system in nine hours or less. This makes 10.01 p.m. a particularly busy time in the world of bike racers. If you're in Spain, you're twice lucky, because given the nocturnal Spanish customs (dinner often starts at 10.30 p,m,) the testers almost never turn up at 7 a.m; it's more like noon, or later. (One tester, a considerate older gentleman who lived an hour away in Barcelona, used to telephone the night before to make sure we were in town, so he didn't waste a trip)"
This extract from the book doesn't reference French laws although I will concede it relates to a period over a decade ago. Has Spanish law since repealed this then?0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:[Pros I follow on Twitter tweet of having testers turn up at 4am/5am etc.
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Which Spanish based pros are that then?
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Matchstick Man wrote:Hamilton lived in Girona though, not France
He was initially based in Nice alongside Lance and the rest of the USPS guys, for the early years until Lance decided things were too hot in France (French police etc, doping being a criminal offence in France) and moved to Girona. Hamilton and I forget who else, moved there too.
Remember Ferrari's favourite training climb for them? Col de la Madone, up in hills above Nice.0 -
Matchstick Man wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:[Pros I follow on Twitter tweet of having testers turn up at 4am/5am etc.
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Which Spanish based pros are that then?
If you follow a cross section of pros of all nationalities on Twitter, you'll read enough tweets.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Matchstick Man wrote:Hamilton lived in Girona though, not France
He was initially based in Nice alongside Lance and the rest of the USPS guys, for the early years until Lance decided things were too hot in France (French police etc, doping being a criminal offence in France) and moved to Girona. Hamilton and I forget who else, moved there too.
Remember Ferrari's favourite training climb for them? Col de la Madone, up in hills above Nice.
So we're in agreement that Lance and his A team moved to Girona to take advantage of the lax out of competition testing then?0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Matchstick Man wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:[Pros I follow on Twitter tweet of having testers turn up at 4am/5am etc.
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Which Spanish based pros are that then?
If you follow a cross section of pros of all nationalities on Twitter, you'll read enough tweets.
Nice statement but I've missed the specific answer to my question in your reply. Could you point out where it is please?0 -
Matchstick Man wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Matchstick Man wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:[Pros I follow on Twitter tweet of having testers turn up at 4am/5am etc.
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Which Spanish based pros are that then?
If you follow a cross section of pros of all nationalities on Twitter, you'll read enough tweets.
Nice statement but I've missed the specific answer to my question in your reply. Could you point out where it is please?
A little less of the interrogational manner wouldnt go amiss.
Try one of the guys such as Mark Renshaw's Twitter feed, it was someone like that0 -
Call me simple here, but if I put down 7 - 8am for my period of testing, and I live in France. Testers turn up at my house at 22:30, and I drop to the floor. Tester hangs around for a bit then leaves. No issue.
Same thing happens at 7:30 and I'm in troubleFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Combined with bio passport and in-comp testing I guess
We need Pokerface to drop in and we could fire questions at him0 -
iainf72 wrote:Call me simple here, but if I put down 7 - 8am for my period of testing, and I live in France. Testers turn up at my house at 22:30, and I drop to the floor. Tester hangs around for a bit then leaves. No issue.
Same thing happens at 7:30 and I'm in trouble
Correct and not just in France. Re-reading Secret Race and Tyler says this happened to him in America. He knew he would test positive so they simply dropped to the floor and didn't answer the door.
He also talks of having a testosterone patch on for too long and having to spend a night in a hotel and picked up a strike for a missed test. Better to have a missed test than a failed one0 -
Hopefully this will lessen the cries of "witchhunt" amongst the faithful
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... trial.html0 -
Apologies for bringing up this again, but here is evidence that in some countries, there still exists a window of opportunity to dope with impunity and know that you'll be clear by the time the drug testers come in the morning
http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/BO ... tement.pdf
Page 4:Bernard Kohl admitted that he used erythropoietin (rEPO) after11 p.m because he had determined that the rEPO would be undetectable by 6AM the next morning when a sample could be legally obtained in Austria0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Combined with bio passport and in-comp testing I guess
We need Pokerface to drop in and we could fire questions at him
Unlikely to help, he has to beg/borrow/steal his kit, I imagine any PEDS would be the same.0 -
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Ban 'im John!0
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Richmond Racer wrote:Matchstick Man wrote:Hamilton lived in Girona though, not France
He was initially based in Nice alongside Lance and the rest of the USPS guys, for the early years until Lance decided things were too hot in France (French police etc, doping being a criminal offence in France) and moved to Girona. Hamilton and I forget who else, moved there too.
Remember Ferrari's favourite training climb for them? Col de la Madone, up in hills above Nice.
That is how I remember it too. It was the start of the cycling's fraternity's move to spain, away from france and monaco.0
