Hoy wants to cash in

frenchfighter

and so has launched a range of bikes 'Hoy' at Evans.

I believe this is oldish news but have not seen it before.

inkyfingers

I don't see the problem, one final pay day for the guy.

I'd rather see him selling bikes that Bran Flakes.

Le Commentateur

Anyone else? How long before leading forum members cash in too?

iainf72

Look out for my range of bad tempered pies, coming soon.

And my new breakfast product called "2012 Tour De France" - It's basically just porridge oats with nothing added. Yes, it's bland and not very exciting, but it's effective.

specialgueststar

iainf72 wrote:

Look out for my range of bad tempered pies, coming soon.

And my new breakfast product called "2012 Tour De France" - It's basically just porridge oats with nothing added. Yes, it's bland and not very exciting, but it's effective.

is that the one with the instructions just stir in a cupful of tepid water

greasedscotsman

Greasedscotsman handbags will be coming to shop near you soon...

inkyfingers

A new range of special "Inky" branded jerseys will use Pollock-esque paint spattered designs to help break up the outline of those riders who are yet to lose their winter weight.

Richmond Racer

inkyfingers wrote:

A new range of special "Inky" branded jerseys will use Pollock-esque paint spattered designs to help break up the outline of those riders who are yet to lose their winter weight.

Want one.

tailwindhome

Sensory Deprivations Tanks - for those who ignore the blindingly obvious..

frenchfighter

Unfortunately it is the brain that cant be blamed. There is one huge experiment where they took 284 news pundits in the US and asked them all sorts of predictions (82000 in all). There were 3 choices.

Out of those 82k, less than a third were right.

So a random generator would have been better.

The reason for the lack of performance was the fact the brain saw all info but only processed what it wanted to in these people which conformed to their preconceived notions/opinions. Like a Confidence Bias http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconfidence_effect

They have shown how hard it is to change the minds of people who are ardent leftists or ardent rightists.

There are experiments like taking a selection of both, showing them the same info and asking them to rate it 1-4 on how bad they perceived it to be. The info was related to Presidents saying something but doing something completely different (Bush saying he will be backing Iraq veterans but on the same day reducing the support paid to them). The Leftists gave their guy much lower scores and vice versa.

It is actually quite sobering how much of our character and choices are unchangeable. If you know anything about the brain you are a complete and utter idiot to do drugs.

eg/.
Interestingly, two recent neuroimaging studies have confirmed that amygdala dysfunction is associated with psychopathy
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/182/1/5.full

eg/.
Dopamine inbalance is what leads to schizophrenia (too much) and alzheimer's (too little)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine#L ... _psychosis
Dopamine drugs are given to those suffering alzheimers but it can make them compulsive gamblers
http://www.healthy.net/Health_News/Mira ... ion/8239/3

rick_chasey

Extra small red trousers.

ermintrude

That's SIR Hoy to you ff, you know, just like Sir Wiggins

RichN95.

It looks like Biking Bernie has hacked Frenchie's account.

nic_77

ermintrude wrote:

That's SIR Hoy to you ff, you know, just like Sir Wiggins

Well, technically that would be Sir Chris and Sir Bradley....

nweststeyn

wtf happened up there? ^

Has frenchie finally cracked?

tailwindhome

You see a lot, Frenchie. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.

Richrd2205

frenchfighter wrote:

Unfortunately it is the brain that cant be blamed. There is one huge experiment where they took 284 new pundits in the US and asked them all sorts of predictions (82000 in all). There were 3 choices.

Out of those 82k, less than a third were right.

So a random generator would have been better.

The reason for the lack of performance was the fact the brain saw all info but only processed what it wanted to in thee people which conformed to their preconceived notions/opinions. Like a Confidence Bias http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconfidence_effect

They have shown how hard it is to change the minds of people who are ardent leftists or ardent rightists.

There are experiments like taking a selection of both, showing them the same info and asking them to rate it 1-4 on how bad they perceived it to be. The info was related to Presidents saying something but doing something completely different (Bush saying he will be backing Iraq veterans but on the same day reducing the support paid to them). The Leftists gave their guy much lower scores and vice versa.

It is actually quite sobering how much of our character and choices are unchangeable. If you know anything about the brain you are a complete and utter idiot to do drugs.

eg/.
Interestingly, two recent neuroimaging studies have confirmed that amygdala dysfunction is associated with psychopathy
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/182/1/5.full

eg/.
Dopamine inbalance is what leads to schizophrenia (too much) and alzheimer's (too little)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine#L ... _psychosis
Dopamine drugs are given to those suffering alzheimers but it can make them compulsive gamblers
http://www.healthy.net/Health_News/Mira ... ion/8239/3

Oh my, what have you been reading?
I'm not sure where this came from, but I had to pick you up on a couple of bits... & trying not to get too far off topic...
You're first study is covered in immense detail by Kahneman. Read this, but it's a wee bit more complex & lots more interesting than you suggest.

It's somewhere between tremendously difficult & fantastically easy to change minds: it depends how you do it. The studies you quote are covered, again, by Kahneman & your inference isn't all that accurate. Pick the right technique & you can change almost anyone's mind on anything: it's actually scary how weakly we hold beliefs... Milgram & Stanford are pretty useful start points, but there's loads more. I can send details if you like...

WRT to associating a bit of the brain with psychopathy: you know that most neuroimaging uses fMRI & you know about salmon, or was it trout? It's a science in its infancy. There are fascinating outcomes, but don't put too much weight on them! You, of course, know that post hoc ergo propter hoc is an oft used piece of reasoning here too....

The dopamine hypothesis for psychosis is, at best, a bit wobbly, so best not to quote it as fact.

I haven't seen the final study, but the title causes me to be slightly concerned.

That's all for now. & I still haven't worked out how this relates to Hoy...
Still prob best to PM if you want further stuff on these studies: I haven't found the psychology section of Pro Race yet...

heavymental

TailWindHome wrote:

You see a lot, Frenchie. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.

Do you know what a roller pigeon is, TailWindHome? They climb high and fast, then roll over and fall just as fast toward the earth. There are shallow rollers and deep rollers. You can't breed two deep rollers, or their young will roll all the way down, hit, and die. Frenchie is a deep roller, TailWindHome. We should hope one of his parents was not.

Macaloon

nweststeyn wrote:

wtf happened up there? ^

Has frenchie finally cracked?

Dibs on Frenchie's stash if he starts posting self-portraits on here.

Macaloon

Richrd2205 wrote:

I haven't found the psychology section of Pro Race yet...

If you can't see the psychology experiment subject in any forum, it's you. We're all here to help. Don't worry. :P

IanLD

Must be somethingt to explain why FF didn't see http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/s ... nge-35841/

Got me lost otherwise...

greasedscotsman

And I thought the Darth Vader post in the Paul Kimmage thread was good...

frenchfighter

TailWindHome wrote:

You see a lot, Frenchie. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.

Absolutely which is why I try and be as open minded as possible and which is why I can also understand people's reactions. There is a difference between blind opinion and opinion developed by understanding both points of view.

frenchfighter

Lots of people coming out the woodwork. Hello. Why don't you post more often and contribute to people's enjoyment and increase people's information on this forum like I try and do rather than sniping.

frenchfighter

Richrd2205 wrote:

Oh my, what have you been reading?
I'm not sure where this came from, but I had to pick you up on a couple of bits... & trying not to get too far off topic...
You're first study is covered in immense detail by Kahneman. Read this, but it's a wee bit more complex & lots more interesting than you suggest.

It's somewhere between tremendously difficult & fantastically easy to change minds: it depends how you do it. The studies you quote are covered, again, by Kahneman & your inference isn't all that accurate. Pick the right technique & you can change almost anyone's mind on anything: it's actually scary how weakly we hold beliefs... Milgram & Stanford are pretty useful start points, but there's loads more. I can send details if you like...

WRT to associating a bit of the brain with psychopathy: you know that most neuroimaging uses fMRI & you know about salmon, or was it trout? It's a science in its infancy. There are fascinating outcomes, but don't put too much weight on them! You, of course, know that post hoc ergo propter hoc is an oft used piece of reasoning here too....

The dopamine hypothesis for psychosis is, at best, a bit wobbly, so best not to quote it as fact.

I haven't seen the final study, but the title causes me to be slightly concerned.

That's all for now. & I still haven't worked out how this relates to Hoy...
Still prob best to PM if you want further stuff on these studies: I haven't found the psychology section of Pro Race yet...

1. I find your tone pompous and self aggrandizing especially as I am just handing out some interesting info which people can take as they will. Tailwind gave a small in and I expanded with some notes on a topic I find fascinating.
2. Thanks but I have covered Kahneman and Tversky and many others at a top university and it is interesting and useful stuff.
3. I am not going to cover immense detail and accuracy in a thread. I am neither qualified to do so and people wouldn't read it.
4. Like with most things, there is no 100% right answer, however that doesn't mean you can't mention points.
5. You want to talk derivatives? I assure you I will be helpful and debating rather than take your tone.
6. Your blog hasn't been updated since October 2012 - the time it would take you to reply to me is about the time it would take to enter a new post.
7. Happy non-farms Friday to you.

Pross

frenchfighter wrote:

4. Like with most things, there is no 100% right answer, however that doesn't mean you can't mention points.

What, no even to the question "Is Bertie a True Champion?"?

frenchfighter

He was racing at Rotterdam 6 day yesterday.

Richmond Racer

frenchfighter wrote:

He was racing at Rotterdam 6 day yesterday.

For a moment there I thought you meant Bertie :shock: Practising his track stands on the top of the banking