listenning to music
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Hate is a bit strong! I think you have missed my point, but you seem to be saying that the better the experience is, you would want music on at the same time even more. Like I said, I do not understand.0
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Tom Dean wrote:Hate is a bit strong! I think you have missed my point, but you seem to be saying that the better the experience is, you would want music on at the same time even more. Like I said, I do not understand.
And? I enjoy music while cycling! Don't really think that warrants snide remarks about the type of music I listen to. Oh well, who cares
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Comparing watching TV and listening to music and exercising and listening to music is, well, clutching.0
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I didn't know what music you listened to. I was just responding to what I took to be a snide comment about watching tv! Sorry if I took it the wrong way.MountainMonster wrote:Tom Dean wrote:Hate is a bit strong! I think you have missed my point, but you seem to be saying that the better the experience is, you would want music on at the same time even more. Like I said, I do not understand.
And? I enjoy music while cycling! Don't really think that warrants snide remarks about the type of music I listen to. Oh well, who cares0 -
iPete wrote:Comparing watching TV and listening to music and exercising and listening to music is, well, clutching.
It's the age old philosophical question.0 -
Just got in from a ride. To be fair, if I'd had the ipod on I wouldn't have had Ebeneezer Goode stuck in my head for 3 hours
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Last time I checked, there was no law against listening to music whilst riding a push bike
Therefore, I (and anyone else for that matter) have no reason to justify listening to loud enough music to drown out both traffic and wind noise as I (like most normal people) don't like wind or traffic noise.0 -
To those saying they wouldn't use one in busy traffic, why not? What do you do when you hear a car approaching from behind? Are you able to detect just from listening, that a car is going to either hit you or miss you? What action do you take when you hear an approaching car, jump off the road?
If so, are you also using mirrors? If not, why not? After all, you wouldn't want to deny yourself an additional sensory input?0 -
The sarcasm seems a little unwarranted. I would not ride in any circumstances with headphones because I do not want my faculties compromised and I do not wish to be distracted by 'racket'. You clearly would. Life continues ...0
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dodgy wrote:To those saying they wouldn't use one in busy traffic, why not? What do you do when you hear a car approaching from behind? Are you able to detect just from listening, that a car is going to either hit you or miss you? What action do you take when you hear an approaching car, jump off the road?
If so, are you also using mirrors? If not, why not? After all, you wouldn't want to deny yourself an additional sensory input?
You are missing the point.
Keeping your wits about you is not about, necessarily, taking evasive action at every opportunity but about being sufficiently aware that your environment is ever changing and that you may need to adapt to those changes at short notice. Sensory depravation is a know distraction which may cause reactions times to be slower.
For example, currently it is legal to use a mobile phone in a hands free set up. However it has been shown that the participation in a hands free telephone conversation is a bigger distraction than having a conversation with someone in the passenger seat. The overall effect of the distraction on reaction times and awareness will vary with the individual's physical and mental state, the driving environment and the nature of the phone call.
You take you choice and the resulting risks but remember that getting knocked off your bike will have a major effect on the driver even if it is not the driver's fault.
Your point about mirrors is valid though. I suspect that for most cyclists being seem with mirrors on your roadbike or, even worse, your helmet would contravene so many "rules" that they just wouldn't do it.0 -
Navrig wrote:dodgy wrote:To those saying they wouldn't use one in busy traffic, why not? What do you do when you hear a car approaching from behind? Are you able to detect just from listening, that a car is going to either hit you or miss you? What action do you take when you hear an approaching car, jump off the road?
If so, are you also using mirrors? If not, why not? After all, you wouldn't want to deny yourself an additional sensory input?
You are missing the point.
Keeping your wits about you is not about, necessarily, taking evasive action at every opportunity but about being sufficiently aware that your environment is ever changing and that you may need to adapt to those changes at short notice. Sensory depravation is a know distraction which may cause reactions times to be slower.
For example, currently it is legal to use a mobile phone in a hands free set up. However it has been shown that the participation in a hands free telephone conversation is a bigger distraction than having a conversation with someone in the passenger seat. The overall effect of the distraction on reaction times and awareness will vary with the individual's physical and mental state, the driving environment and the nature of the phone call.
You take you choice and the resulting risks but remember that getting knocked off your bike will have a major effect on the driver even if it is not the driver's fault.
Your point about mirrors is valid though. I suspect that for most cyclists being seem with mirrors on your roadbike or, even worse, your helmet would contravene so many "rules" that they just wouldn't do it.
I think you're absolutely right about the distraction element of using headphones while cycling. I was just referring to people who object to them based purely on what you can and can't hear while riding when you're using them.
No doubt those same people will adjust their objections to the distraction point so they can 'win' Internet arguments
Anyway, I use the aftershokz (as stated earlier in the thread), but I pick and choose when and where to use them, they have a decent sizxed button on them that you hit to suspend everything, and since they're not *in* your ear, it's like they're no longer there anymore.
FWIW, I just use them for voice podcasts.0 -
The distraction element I can buy in to, however the "tests" that sees if a person can cope with a conversation without being distracted are flawed unless they consider the effect on a person who regularly uses a hands free phone. Only then can you see if they are distracted more or less when on the phone. Taking someone who doesn't drive and talk is a pointless test. Everyone is going to be distracted doing a new task at the same time as an existing skill.
I'd never ride a motorbike listening to music for the very reason I listen to music when cycling. I find music spurs me on to ride harder and faster. So if listening to music makes you more aggressive then their is an increase risk.0 -
It's not a case of being 100% or 0% distracted though is it? - can cope or can not cope. What difference does it make if the person regularly uses a hands-free? Where are they going to find subjects for whom having a conversation is a new experience? Or do you think they looked at people who had never driven a car before? do you have a specific issue with these tests?
If you think listening to music or having a conversation while driving or cycling carries zero extra risk you are kidding yourself. You have to decide for yourself whether to accept that risk. I have no issue with anyone's choices but to say it makes no difference is rubbish.0 -
I'm open minded, I didn't say it made no difference. In fact my whole reason for posting was to hear the arguments. We have had safe, not safe, safe in traffic not in the country, the other way around. Etc. the only arguments so far that I think have merit is anything about distraction and mood.
My point on the driving using hands free is that any new thing is going to distract. The level of distraction reduces substatially with experience. I'm not saying that driving while on the phone is good only that the level of distraction for a new user is nothing like that compared to someone who does it all the time.0 -
My second paragraph wasn't directed at you. I'm sure experience has an impact, the point is to assess the risk in a rational way. Anyone saying these things make no difference at all cannot be doing that IMO.0
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Sorry if this has already been said (not read through all the replies) but i would say its not down to how loud the music is so not hearing traffic but more to taking your concentration away. A bit like using a mobile phone while driving isn't dangerous because you've only got one hand off the steering wheel. Its because your concentration goes into the conversation, not the road around you.
Also i think if you had an accident while listening to music (even if it wasnt because of the music) it would still be used against you if you needed to claim.0 -
I can concur with the reduced concentration, for me anyway, whilst using a hands free kit in the car. I have had one in my company car, not through choice, for years, and the number of motorway junctions I have missed by talking to a customer is scary.
The latest insurance directive from our company states that if it is proven you were using the hands free when involved in an accident, the company will refuse to insure you. The inference being that they want you to deal with customers, ie answer calls in the car, but insurance wise, its at your own risk.
So lately I have my car phone on answer machine and take the calls when I stop.0
