Hand built wheels?

Hanners
Hanners Posts: 260
edited December 2012 in Road buying advice
I have just built up a Genesis Equilibrium and need a set of winter/ all round wheels and fancy going down the hand built route but dont know what i need? (rims, spokes or hubs)
I have a set of Kysrium sl for summer and a set of cosmic sl for tting/ posing

i weigh 68 - 72 kg( depending on how lazy ive been)

Any advice welcome
Thanks

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  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    Try contacting Ugo Santalucia on this forum or look at someone like Wheelsmith.co.uk.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • Ugo (paolo) is very knowledgeable he has help me out speccing a set of custom wheels. He will advice on everything from hub to rim (depend on what style you want) and he will also let you know what length spokes required based on lacing patterns......... I am getting parts together so he can built it. He even helped me with where is the best to source parts.

    all in all get in touch and have a chat with him
    Road - Cannondale CAAD 8 - 7.8kg
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  • bikeit65
    bikeit65 Posts: 995
    edited December 2012
    If you are looking for hand built wheels look no further the Ugo Santalucia, the man is a master wheel builder with the patience of a saint, 10 /10
    https://www.instagram.com/seanmcgrathphotography/
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  • jonomc4
    jonomc4 Posts: 891
    Bikeit65 wrote:
    If you are looking for hand built wheels look no further the Ugo Santalucia, the man is a master wheel builder the the patience of a saint, 10 /10

    +1
  • If they are training wheels, even if you are light, stick to a 32 H fit and forget wheelset.
    A rim that would look fantastic and ride like a dream on a steel genesis is the H plus Son TB14, bit more expensive than the usual suspects (Open PRO etc) but it offers wider bed for large tyres, small tyres, you can run lower pressures... someone like you could run 23 mm tyres at 85-90 PSI or 25 mm at 80-85 PSI... it's quite an experience, coming from the Ksyrium... it's a bit like leaving the Subaru Impreza at home and driving the Range Rover instead... when you hit the bumpy lanes you just crave for more crap tarmac, as you glide over it...
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  • on-yer-bike
    on-yer-bike Posts: 2,974
    ^^ How about the Archetype you recommended to me?
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  • ^^ How about the Archetype you recommended to me?

    As well... They are both fantastic rims... The TB 14 look more like rims did 20 years ago... They look like clincher Nemesis... The Archetype is a more modern design
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  • on-yer-bike
    on-yer-bike Posts: 2,974
    Interestingly, the Archetype although deeper is lighter. I see Wheelsmith also sell a clincher 'nemisis'. Ambrosio missed a trick there. As a purist does it bother you that H+Son are made in China?
    Pegoretti
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  • Interestingly, the Archetype although deeper is lighter. I see Wheelsmith also sell a clincher 'nemisis'. Ambrosio missed a trick there. As a purist does it bother you that H+Son are made in China?

    No, it doesn't bother me at all. They are well made and that's good enough for me. As they are priced higher than the competition, one can assume that given the lower cost of labour, the quality is well superior? They certainly are built very well... no defects, no flaws, invisible weld, perfect machining of the holes... the opposite of Kinlin...

    Ambrosio has a wide range of clincher rims, which in fairness are various names for essentially the same thing. They are not the most dynamic company and their products have been around for ages.
    If you want the Nemesis, get the nemesis... if they don't say Nemesis "la reine du nord", they are not nemesis, but just lookalike. At that point I would go for the TB14...they also look like Nemesis, but they have their own identity... if you know what I mean
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  • Coach H
    Coach H Posts: 1,092
    IMHO the clincher Nemesis is all about having an Ambrosio box section rim with the brass counterweight at the valve hole for "the look"
    Coach H. (Dont ask me for training advice - 'It's not about the bike')
  • asprilla
    asprilla Posts: 8,440
    I've got two pairs of Archetypes; one is on Chris King R45s and I've got a polished silver set I'm about to put on some Royce hubs.

    They are really lovely rims and I'm sold on the whole wide rim thing. Be aware that the anodising on the brake track will come off as soon as you start using them but it doesn't spoil the aesthetic.
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  • Coach H wrote:
    IMHO the clincher Nemesis is all about having an Ambrosio box section rim with the brass counterweight at the valve hole for "the look"

    The Ambrosio box section clincher rim with the counterweight is called "Excellence". I frankly don't know anything about these alleged Ambrosio Nemesis clinchers... are they Ambrosio? If they are the Ambrosio logo should be on them, otherwise they are not.
    In my books there is only one Nemesis and it is a tubular rim... it looks like this

    nemesis1.jpg
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  • Coach H
    Coach H Posts: 1,092
    Coach H wrote:
    IMHO the clincher Nemesis is all about having an Ambrosio box section rim with the brass counterweight at the valve hole for "the look"

    The Ambrosio box section clincher rim with the counterweight is called "Excellence". I frankly don't know anything about these alleged Ambrosio Nemesis clinchers... are they Ambrosio? If they are the Ambrosio logo should be on them, otherwise they are not.
    In my books there is only one Nemesis and it is a tubular rim... it looks like this

    nemesis1.jpg

    I know but the finish on the Excellence is not as nice IMHO. There is no sense here its all about "the look" :roll: :lol:
    Coach H. (Dont ask me for training advice - 'It's not about the bike')
  • Coach H wrote:
    Coach H wrote:
    IMHO the clincher Nemesis is all about having an Ambrosio box section rim with the brass counterweight at the valve hole for "the look"

    The Ambrosio box section clincher rim with the counterweight is called "Excellence". I frankly don't know anything about these alleged Ambrosio Nemesis clinchers... are they Ambrosio? If they are the Ambrosio logo should be on them, otherwise they are not.
    In my books there is only one Nemesis and it is a tubular rim... it looks like this

    nemesis1.jpg

    I know but the finish on the Excellence is not as nice IMHO. There is no sense here its all about "the look" :roll: :lol:

    I perfectly understand... i built myself a set of Nemesis as I did like the rims and the "Reine du Nord" etched logo... my annual visit to the Flanders could with any rim, in fairness... I simply liked the look of them... the fact that the tubulars ride is amazing came as a consequence. However, I would have never compromised for a clincher version of the same... it's just not the same thing and you know it... it's a compromise to ride clinchers... but they won't be nearly as strong, they won't have such a beautiful ride and most importantly, they don't have the "reine du nord" etched... hence they are completely pointless, if what you want are the nemesis

    nemesis2.jpg

    If you want clinchers with that look and a nice ride get the TB14... they look amazing, ride very well for a clincher and at least you are not going around with fakes...
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  • Hanners
    Hanners Posts: 260
    I'm liking the tb14, i think they deliver what i am looking for
  • Coach H
    Coach H Posts: 1,092
    Coach H wrote:
    Coach H wrote:
    IMHO the clincher Nemesis is all about having an Ambrosio box section rim with the brass counterweight at the valve hole for "the look"

    The Ambrosio box section clincher rim with the counterweight is called "Excellence". I frankly don't know anything about these alleged Ambrosio Nemesis clinchers... are they Ambrosio? If they are the Ambrosio logo should be on them, otherwise they are not.
    In my books there is only one Nemesis and it is a tubular rim... it looks like this

    nemesis1.jpg

    I know but the finish on the Excellence is not as nice IMHO. There is no sense here its all about "the look" :roll: :lol:

    I perfectly understand... i built myself a set of Nemesis as I did like the rims and the "Reine du Nord" etched logo... my annual visit to the Flanders could with any rim, in fairness... I simply liked the look of them... the fact that the tubulars ride is amazing came as a consequence. However, I would have never compromised for a clincher version of the same... it's just not the same thing and you know it... it's a compromise to ride clinchers... but they won't be nearly as strong, they won't have such a beautiful ride and most importantly, they don't have the "reine du nord" etched... hence they are completely pointless, if what you want are the nemesis

    nemesis2.jpg

    If you want clinchers with that look and a nice ride get the TB14... they look amazing, ride very well for a clincher and at least you are not going around with fakes...

    Ugo, you have cut me to the quick with your harsh, but ultimately correct, assessment of my (bike) vanity. :lol:
    You didn't manage to sway me with the sense in your argument when trying to convince me of the virtues of handbuilts (at a very good price by the way if you are considering some of Ugo's work :wink: ) versus Ksyrium Elites and you will not win me over with this talk of tubs and Nemesis rims over clinchers (even though you are correct again). :lol:
    Perhaps we can continue this in greater detail when my factory built winter wheels (Campag Vento's) give up the ghost, or a spoke, although I have assured the wife that this will not be for another 20 years at least! :wink:

    Sorry Hanners for highjacking your thread :D
    Coach H. (Dont ask me for training advice - 'It's not about the bike')
  • Coach H
    Coach H Posts: 1,092
    Hanners wrote:
    I'm liking the tb14, i think they deliver what i am looking for

    Regardless of the other rubbish I have been blathering on about, I concur that the tb14's look pretty nice :D
    Coach H. (Dont ask me for training advice - 'It's not about the bike')
  • Does anyone know what the differences are between the Archetype rims which I understand are used on the Wheelsmith Race 23 wheels as well as some Strada wheels and the Velocity A 23 rims? Not just the physical differences but the ride qualities/quality differences would be good to know...
  • Does anyone know what the differences are between the Archetype rims which I understand are used on the Wheelsmith Race 23 wheels as well as some Strada wheels and the Velocity A 23 rims? Not just the physical differences but the ride qualities/quality differences would be good to know...

    I could tell you that there is virtually no difference or I could come up with a lot of gibberish to hype very little differences.

    The real difference is one is 30 grams heavier, a little higher and a touch stiffer than the other
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  • Thank you Ugo! I understand that some rims are easier work with than others - is there one rim you would recommend?
  • If you are building yourself, go for the Archetype... they are extremely easy to build into a perfect wheel. As always with rims without eyelets, make sure you don't lose the nipples inside the rim... use a spare spoke to hold them
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  • My brother has offered to build me a set of wheels and I am looking at different options so this information is greatly appreciated - thank you!