A quick favour
fevmeister
Posts: 353
If someone would like to buy me these, that would be great. Thanks.
http://www.primera-sports.com/products/lightweight-785/lightweight-meilenstein-clincher-wheelset-11386.aspx
http://www.primera-sports.com/products/lightweight-785/lightweight-meilenstein-clincher-wheelset-11386.aspx
0
Comments
-
Sure thing. Let me know your credit card details and I'll order them straight away.0
-
They are a bargain!!!
I'll have 2One plays football, tennis or golf, one does not play at cycling0 -
Make that another set0
-
A snip at 3400 aren't they! I'm drooling over them. Surely BR has a resident lottery winner who regularly browses the forums?0
-
For clinchers!!??0
-
ShutUpLegs wrote:For clinchers!!??
Yes please0 -
They're not even disc brake compatible.0
-
ShutUpLegs wrote:For clinchers!!??
That. It's amazing what the marketing machine can persuade people to buy. Unless you're Tony Martin and running featherweight non-real-world-cycling-friendly tyres and tubes in time trials, I do not understand the appeal of carbon clinchers, particularly when the risks are well known and tubular tyres are generally considered preferable. You get all of the drawbacks but one; convenient puncture repair. I would so much rather have some top-notch (Royce/Phil Wood/Chris King/etc) hubs laced up with good quality spokes to some nice tubular rims, myself, and pocket the change.
0 -
Simon Masterson wrote:ShutUpLegs wrote:For clinchers!!??
That. It's amazing what the marketing machine can persuade people to buy. Unless you're Tony Martin and running featherweight non-real-world-cycling-friendly tyres and tubes in time trials, I do not understand the appeal of carbon clinchers, particularly when the risks are well known and tubular tyres are generally considered preferable. You get all of the drawbacks but one; convenient puncture repair. I would so much rather have some top-notch (Royce/Phil Wood/Chris King/etc) hubs laced up with good quality spokes to some nice tubular rims, myself, and pocket the change.
I had a PowerTap hub laced to a carbon clincher rim. It meant I could train and race with power. The risks if you're descending alpine cols may be very real, but in the UK I'm not sure what these well known risks would be other than poor braking if it's very wet.
I can't think of any other reason for having a full carbon clincher though. I've got a crank-based powermeter now and I'll be racing on tubs and training on alloy clinchers from now on.More problems but still living....0 -
Don't think im ready to move to tubulars yet. What are these risks of which you preach?0
-
amaferanga wrote:Simon Masterson wrote:ShutUpLegs wrote:For clinchers!!??
That. It's amazing what the marketing machine can persuade people to buy. Unless you're Tony Martin and running featherweight non-real-world-cycling-friendly tyres and tubes in time trials, I do not understand the appeal of carbon clinchers, particularly when the risks are well known and tubular tyres are generally considered preferable. You get all of the drawbacks but one; convenient puncture repair. I would so much rather have some top-notch (Royce/Phil Wood/Chris King/etc) hubs laced up with good quality spokes to some nice tubular rims, myself, and pocket the change.
I had a PowerTap hub laced to a carbon clincher rim. It meant I could train and race with power. The risks if you're descending alpine cols may be very real, but in the UK I'm not sure what these well known risks would be other than poor braking if it's very wet.
I can't think of any other reason for having a full carbon clincher though. I've got a crank-based powermeter now and I'll be racing on tubs and training on alloy clinchers from now on.
Apart from poor braking, I'm thinking of rim overheating and braking surfaces not being durable. Obviously more of an issue in the alps, but if I remember correctly someone on here posted about problems with brake surfaces.0 -
Simon Masterson wrote:ShutUpLegs wrote:For clinchers!!??
That. It's amazing what the marketing machine can persuade people to buy. Unless you're Tony Martin and running featherweight non-real-world-cycling-friendly tyres and tubes in time trials, I do not understand the appeal of carbon clinchers, particularly when the risks are well known and tubular tyres are generally considered preferable. You get all of the drawbacks but one; convenient puncture repair. I would so much rather have some top-notch (Royce/Phil Wood/Chris King/etc) hubs laced up with good quality spokes to some nice tubular rims, myself, and pocket the change.
Have you rode with either? Raced at a high level? Raced with either?One plays football, tennis or golf, one does not play at cycling0 -
Fevmeister wrote:Don't think im ready to move to tubulars yet. What are these risks of which you preach?
The rims can overheat. For this reason they have been banned in competitions before, and are viewed by many to be unsafe. Braking isn't as good and requires special pads, and carbon fibre spokes snap like spaghetti. All for a small weight saving; indeed some carbon fibre wheels aren't even particularly light. Unless you are racing at a pretty respectable level (i.e. such that an aero wheel is actually more advantageous than a lightweight low-profile rim), I cannot see why as an amateur you would want them, and I have to wonder how many professionals would be using them - even in competitions - if they had to buy their own wheels and didn't have a service car a few metres behind.0 -
Joeblack wrote:Simon Masterson wrote:ShutUpLegs wrote:For clinchers!!??
That. It's amazing what the marketing machine can persuade people to buy. Unless you're Tony Martin and running featherweight non-real-world-cycling-friendly tyres and tubes in time trials, I do not understand the appeal of carbon clinchers, particularly when the risks are well known and tubular tyres are generally considered preferable. You get all of the drawbacks but one; convenient puncture repair. I would so much rather have some top-notch (Royce/Phil Wood/Chris King/etc) hubs laced up with good quality spokes to some nice tubular rims, myself, and pocket the change.
Have you rode with either? Raced at a high level? Raced with either?
Do I need to have? These aren't made up concerns. I may not have used carbon fibre clinchers, but even if I could afford them I would not buy them for the exact reasons I cited.0 -
Simon Masterson wrote:Joeblack wrote:Simon Masterson wrote:ShutUpLegs wrote:For clinchers!!??
That. It's amazing what the marketing machine can persuade people to buy. Unless you're Tony Martin and running featherweight non-real-world-cycling-friendly tyres and tubes in time trials, I do not understand the appeal of carbon clinchers, particularly when the risks are well known and tubular tyres are generally considered preferable. You get all of the drawbacks but one; convenient puncture repair. I would so much rather have some top-notch (Royce/Phil Wood/Chris King/etc) hubs laced up with good quality spokes to some nice tubular rims, myself, and pocket the change.
Have you rode with either? Raced at a high level? Raced with either?
Do I need to have?
Well yes..... If you want your opinion to be taken as worthwhile I'd say some experience is necessary, even if you haven't raced on them have you at least owned this type of wheel?One plays football, tennis or golf, one does not play at cycling0 -
Simon Masterson wrote:
Do I need to have? These aren't made up concerns. I may not have used carbon fibre clinchers, but even if I could afford them I would not buy them for the exact reasons I cited.
Now you have edited your post, this is a fair point and your obviously entitled to your opinion, I was just wondering on what it was based but you have answered that,
I have done none of the above so can't make any kind of opinion except they are fecking expensive!! And wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to my slow a22 even if I could afford them!!One plays football, tennis or golf, one does not play at cycling0 -
Joeblack wrote:Simon Masterson wrote:Joeblack wrote:Simon Masterson wrote:ShutUpLegs wrote:For clinchers!!??
That. It's amazing what the marketing machine can persuade people to buy. Unless you're Tony Martin and running featherweight non-real-world-cycling-friendly tyres and tubes in time trials, I do not understand the appeal of carbon clinchers, particularly when the risks are well known and tubular tyres are generally considered preferable. You get all of the drawbacks but one; convenient puncture repair. I would so much rather have some top-notch (Royce/Phil Wood/Chris King/etc) hubs laced up with good quality spokes to some nice tubular rims, myself, and pocket the change.
Have you rode with either? Raced at a high level? Raced with either?
Do I need to have?
Well yes..... If you want your opinion to be taken as worthwhile I'd say some experience is necessary, even if you haven't raced on them have you at least owned this type of wheel?
I'm citing other peoples' opinions and experiences. If I were trying to imply that I had used something that I in fact had not, that would be different. I haven't owned any silly collectible bikes either, but that doesn't disqualify me from stating that they are overpriced if I can substantiate my arguments. None of the points I've made are subjective; they arise from the properties of carbon fibre as a material.
All I'm effectively doing is giving the reasons why I wouldn't buy the product. You can pretend that the points that I'm presenting aren't valid if you like, but it's a bit silly.
However, we do agree on something; they ARE fecking expensive. One thousand of your English pounds on the other hand will buy you a very handsome pair of alloy-rimmed wheels! 0 -
Simon Masterson wrote:Fevmeister wrote:Don't think im ready to move to tubulars yet. What are these risks of which you preach?
The rims can overheat. For this reason they have been banned in competitions before, and are viewed by many to be unsafe. Braking isn't as good and requires special pads, and carbon fibre spokes snap like spaghetti. All for a small weight saving; indeed some carbon fibre wheels aren't even particularly light. Unless you are racing at a pretty respectable level (i.e. such that an aero wheel is actually more advantageous than a lightweight low-profile rim), I cannot see why as an amateur you would want them, and I have to wonder how many professionals would be using them - even in competitions - if they had to buy their own wheels and didn't have a service car a few metres behind.
I can see your point, but what makes a clincher rim overheat but not a tubular? What about carbon rim clinchers but wi alloy braking surface like dura ace c35/50?0 -
Simon Masterson wrote:Joeblack wrote:Simon Masterson wrote:Joeblack wrote:Simon Masterson wrote:ShutUpLegs wrote:For clinchers!!??
That. It's amazing what the marketing machine can persuade people to buy. Unless you're Tony Martin and running featherweight non-real-world-cycling-friendly tyres and tubes in time trials, I do not understand the appeal of carbon clinchers, particularly when the risks are well known and tubular tyres are generally considered preferable. You get all of the drawbacks but one; convenient puncture repair. I would so much rather have some top-notch (Royce/Phil Wood/Chris King/etc) hubs laced up with good quality spokes to some nice tubular rims, myself, and pocket the change.
Have you rode with either? Raced at a high level? Raced with either?
Do I need to have?
Well yes..... If you want your opinion to be taken as worthwhile I'd say some experience is necessary, even if you haven't raced on them have you at least owned this type of wheel?
I'm citing other peoples' opinions and experiences. If I were trying to imply that I had used something that I in fact had not, that would be different. I haven't owned any silly collectible bikes either, but that doesn't disqualify me from stating that they are overpriced if I can substantiate my arguments. None of the points I've made are subjective; they arise from the properties of carbon fibre as a material.
All I'm effectively doing is giving the reasons why I wouldn't buy the product. You can pretend that the points that I'm presenting aren't valid if you like, but it's a bit silly.
However, we do agree on something; they ARE fecking expensive. One thousand of your English pounds on the other hand will buy you a very handsome pair of alloy-rimmed wheels!
We do agree I would never spend more than 500-600 pounds on wheels and they would be alloy I'm just not at the standard to warrant anything else.One plays football, tennis or golf, one does not play at cycling0 -
Fevmeister wrote:Simon Masterson wrote:Fevmeister wrote:Don't think im ready to move to tubulars yet. What are these risks of which you preach?
The rims can overheat. For this reason they have been banned in competitions before, and are viewed by many to be unsafe. Braking isn't as good and requires special pads, and carbon fibre spokes snap like spaghetti. All for a small weight saving; indeed some carbon fibre wheels aren't even particularly light. Unless you are racing at a pretty respectable level (i.e. such that an aero wheel is actually more advantageous than a lightweight low-profile rim), I cannot see why as an amateur you would want them, and I have to wonder how many professionals would be using them - even in competitions - if they had to buy their own wheels and didn't have a service car a few metres behind.
I can see your point, but what makes a clincher rim overheat but not a tubular? What about carbon rim clinchers but wi alloy braking surface like dura ace c35/50?
The two are different designs, and carbon fibre clincher rims by nature of their construction do not dissipate heat as well. Both are susceptible to this problem, though; it just so happens that the pros don't need to care very much!0 -
Simon Masterson wrote:The two are different designs, and carbon fibre clincher rims by nature of their construction do not dissipate heat as well. Both are susceptible to this problem, though; it just so happens that the pros don't need to care very much!
Um are you sure? Why would a tubular carbon rim dissipate heat any differently to a carbon clincher rim? I thought the reason there was a (mostly) theoretical additional risk with clinchers is that the tyre can pop off the rim. Obviously this isn't going to happen with a tubular rim.
I think you're overplaying the risk personally, but then all I have is my own personal experience of doing all sorts of riding in the UK for the best part of two years with a set of carbon clinchers.More problems but still living....0 -
I'd go for the aluminium braking surface and carbon deep section for piece of mind. As for the tubular/vs clinched debate I've never run tubs for fear of them rolling off the rim, I'm sure my fears see completely unfounded though!0
-
amaferanga wrote:Simon Masterson wrote:The two are different designs, and carbon fibre clincher rims by nature of their construction do not dissipate heat as well. Both are susceptible to this problem, though; it just so happens that the pros don't need to care very much!
Um are you sure? Why would a tubular carbon rim dissipate heat any differently to a carbon clincher rim? I thought the reason there was a (mostly) theoretical additional risk with clinchers is that the tyre can pop off the rim. Obviously this isn't going to happen with a tubular rim.
I think you're overplaying the risk personally, but then all I have is my own personal experience of doing all sorts of riding in the UK for the best part of two years with a set of carbon clinchers.
I have read that specifically cited somewhere. I can't remember why it was that the author claimed they were more susceptible. I probably am overplaying the risk, but I still don't really understand why most people would actually want them!0 -
Joeblack wrote:We do agree I would never spend more than 500-600 pounds on wheels and they would be alloy I'm just not at the standard to warrant anything else.
Neither do I matey; neither do I! I'm not worried; most cyclists don't either.
0 -
I'd imagine with most people it's probably the aesthetics of them, and the fact they make a cool sound...Simon Masterson wrote:Joeblack wrote:We do agree I would never spend more than 500-600 pounds on wheels and they would be alloy I'm just not at the standard to warrant anything else.
Neither do I matey; neither do I! I'm not worried; most cyclists don't either.0 -
They look good AND make a cool sound?
I'll buy 3!0 -
Lets not pretend that's not half the reason people choose these aero wheels!0
-
0
-
Paul 8v wrote:
I'd imagine with most people it's probably the aesthetics of them, and the fact they make a cool sound...Simon Masterson wrote:Joeblack wrote:We do agree I would never spend more than 500-600 pounds on wheels and they would be alloy I'm just not at the standard to warrant anything else.
Neither do I matey; neither do I! I'm not worried; most cyclists don't either.
I concur!
But I think the credit really needs to go to the manufacturers here, since they managed to persuade amateur cyclists to WANT wheels that make for fantastic advertising. 0 -
Simon Masterson wrote:Paul 8v wrote:
I'd imagine with most people it's probably the aesthetics of them, and the fact they make a cool sound...Simon Masterson wrote:Joeblack wrote:We do agree I would never spend more than 500-600 pounds on wheels and they would be alloy I'm just not at the standard to warrant anything else.
Neither do I matey; neither do I! I'm not worried; most cyclists don't either.
I concur!
But I think the credit really needs to go to the manufacturers here, since they managed to persuade amateur cyclists to WANT wheels that make for fantastic advertising.
Oh hell yeah, I want a pair anyway :-)0
