Giant Headsets Help

bubbleride
bubbleride Posts: 11
edited November 2012 in MTB workshop & tech
Hey everyone I'm new here and I have an issue. I have a Giant Yukon FX 2008 and I would like to know what kind of headset do I need to buy for a tapered steer fork currently running RockShox Dart1 1" 1/8 steer looking to upgrade to a RockShox Recon silver tk tapered steer. If possible can u guys tell me the size of the headset (diameter).

Thank-you :)

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  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Does your frame support a tapered steerer? What sort of headset is it now (photo's?), if it's external you can't fit a tapered (at all, ever).
    Photo's suggest it is external http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/33 ... Yukon.html
    Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.
  • bubbleride
    bubbleride Posts: 11
    I not to sure if my frame support tapered steer but right now its running zero stack headset from crab creek. I believe the headtube diameter is 49.57 mm. I'll try to get photo soon.
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Zero stack will be a headtube ID of 44mm and you need an internal (top) external (bottom) combo to run tapered.
    Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.
  • bubbleride
    bubbleride Posts: 11
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  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    a tapered fork will not fit without a rather expensive headset. and even then it might not fit as the headtube is waisted.

    standared internal headtube there.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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  • bubbleride
    bubbleride Posts: 11
    Just wondering would this headset work with the frame and fork.

    http://store.canecreek.com/products/pro ... t=1&i=all&
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Yes, but as Nick pointed out, the headtube is wasted and the tapered steerer may not fit inside it.
    Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.
  • bubbleride
    bubbleride Posts: 11
    could you guys explain what "headtube is wasted" mean?
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    thinner in the middle. not a straight tube.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • 97th choice
    97th choice Posts: 2,222
    Just for info a mate put a 120mm reba on his and is very happy with it.
    Too-ra-loo-ra, too-ra-loo-rye, aye

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    Btwin Alur700
    Merida CX500
  • bubbleride
    bubbleride Posts: 11
    97th choice wrote:
    Just for info a mate put a 120mm reba on his and is very happy with it.
    same frame and tapered steer as well and thank that was very helpful.
  • cooldad
    cooldad Posts: 32,599
    bubbleride wrote:
    97th choice wrote:
    Just for info a mate put a 120mm reba on his and is very happy with it.
    same frame and tapered steer as well and thank that was very helpful.
    Where do you read tapered steerer? Rebas come with straight and tapered.
    I don't do smileys.

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  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Where's the bang head on wall smilie on this site!
    Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.
  • bubbleride
    bubbleride Posts: 11
    cooldad wrote:
    bubbleride wrote:
    97th choice wrote:
    Just for info a mate put a 120mm reba on his and is very happy with it.
    same frame and tapered steer as well and thank that was very helpful.
    Where do you read tapered steerer? Rebas come with straight and tapered.

    This this call Google
    http://www.sram.com/rockshox/products/reba-rl
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    bubbleride wrote:
    cooldad wrote:
    bubbleride wrote:
    97th choice wrote:
    Just for info a mate put a 120mm reba on his and is very happy with it.
    same frame and tapered steer as well and thank that was very helpful.
    Where do you read tapered steerer? Rebas come with straight and tapered.

    This this call Google
    http://www.sram.com/rockshox/products/reba-rl
    he was refering to the post. no where did 97th state he had fitted a fork with a tapered steerer.

    and like i said with a waisted head tube the chances of getting the steerer into it is reduced.

    and then will the headset fit? a 15mm inset depth is needed. and the waist in the head tube means that i am fairly sure it will not fit.

    here is an example of the headset

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=55502
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • cooldad
    cooldad Posts: 32,599
    The Beginner wrote:
    Where's the bang head on wall smilie on this site!
    I don't do smilies. :mrgreen:
    I don't do smileys.

    There is no secret ingredient - Kung Fu Panda

    London Calling on Facebook

    Parktools
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    bubbleride wrote:
    cooldad wrote:
    bubbleride wrote:
    97th choice wrote:
    Just for info a mate put a 120mm reba on his and is very happy with it.
    same frame and tapered steer as well and thank that was very helpful.
    Where do you read tapered steerer? Rebas come with straight and tapered.

    This this call Google
    http://www.sram.com/rockshox/products/reba-rl
    OK I'm outing you as a troll :wink:
    Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.
  • bubbleride
    bubbleride Posts: 11
    Nicklouse: do u think there might be a chance of using this headset
    http://store.canecreek.com/products/pro ... t=1&i=all&
    Is 12 mm depth smaller than nukeproof
  • 97th choice
    97th choice Posts: 2,222
    bubbleride wrote:
    97th choice wrote:
    Just for info a mate put a 120mm reba on his and is very happy with it.
    same frame and tapered steer as well and thank that was very helpful.


    No, as the wise old men above have said. :D

    It's a is straight steerer but 120mm rather than the 100mm you are looking at. Just an option if you would like a bit more travel.

    One thing to remember if buying second hand is that the yukon frame needs quite a long steerer length, measure yours when removing it.
    Too-ra-loo-ra, too-ra-loo-rye, aye

    Giant Trance
    Radon ZR 27.5 Race
    Btwin Alur700
    Merida CX500
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    bubbleride wrote:
    Nicklouse: do u think there might be a chance of using this headset
    http://store.canecreek.com/products/pro ... t=1&i=all&
    Is 12 mm depth smaller than nukeproof
    no idea you have the frame measure the insert depth. but again I dont think the steerer will pass though.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • bubbleride
    bubbleride Posts: 11
    97th choice wrote:
    bubbleride wrote:
    97th choice wrote:
    Just for info a mate put a 120mm reba on his and is very happy with it.
    same frame and tapered steer as well and thank that was very helpful.


    No, as the wise old men above have said. :D

    It's a is straight steerer but 120mm rather than the 100mm you are looking at. Just an option if you would like a bit more travel.

    One thing to remember if buying second hand is that the yukon frame needs quite a long steerer length, measure yours when removing it.

    Currently running 205mm long steer length would a 220+mm steer lenght do the trick or a bit more.
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Worry first if it will actually go IN your frame......

    But yes it would.
    Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.
  • 97th choice
    97th choice Posts: 2,222
    nicklouse wrote:
    thinner in the middle. not a straight tube.


    Checked my mates, it is indeed waisted. I don't think it is possible to fit a tapered steered, at all.

    Has the OP already made his purchase perhaps?
    Too-ra-loo-ra, too-ra-loo-rye, aye

    Giant Trance
    Radon ZR 27.5 Race
    Btwin Alur700
    Merida CX500
  • bubbleride
    bubbleride Posts: 11
    Yeah check everything and it has come to a conclusion that a tapered steered will not work with the bike/frame. Going to stick with 1 1/8" steer and thanks everyone for their information. :)

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