Wiggins burns on bonfire

Paul 8v

Well I can certainly understand wanting to burn Mitt Romney but Wiggins? Also Geri Halliwell? Has she actually done anything in the last 5 years? Wierd choice...

TheBigBean

There were some strange choices this year such as the Queen and Neil Armstrong.

It appears that Geri Halliwell sung at the closing ceremony, so this effigy must be about the Olympics as a whole. Wiggins seems a reasonable choice for that. Still not sure about the guy - think it must be someone involved in the Olympics.

TheBigBean

Alan A wrote:

They appear to be Mitt Romney & Geri Halliwell

http://www.thisissussex.co.uk/Sedate-Lewes-Bonfire-2012-real-success/story-17246459-detail/story.html

Ah I see, Mitt Romney openly criticised the preparation for the Olympics (good thing Google). Wiggins therefore gets to stamp on him to symbolise that Romney (as is quite frequent it seems) was wrong. However, the whole Olympics gets burnt for the usual waste of money argument.

Thanks for the help in solving this one.

andy_wrx

Is it not Jaques Rogge and (a rather younger version of) the Queen?
- Olympics, wearing a crown..

nathancom

They look like they are off to a local satanic orgy for local people.

Paul 8v

This lot seem to be a bit bloody random, especially since it takes Poirot to work out the reason behind their flaming effigies!

timoid.

TheBigBean wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

What's with the blackface dude on the right?

They are dressed as smugglers (that's what the stripey jumpers are about), so a lot of people paint their faces as well. I'm not sure whether it represents camouflage, dirt from crawling through tunnels or gunpowder, but that's what people think smugglers looked like.

Generally, there is quite an array of fancy dress going on, and I recommend the evening if anyone is in the neck of the woods.

Hmmm, as a catholic I might just give this one a miss. Might as well ask an African American to go to a Klan rally.

TheBigBean

Timoid. wrote:

Hmmm, as a catholic I might just give this one a miss. Might as well ask an African American to go to a Klan rally.

I think it is more like asking a white European / American to attend an anti-slavery commemoration. It all depends on your view.

timoid.

TheBigBean wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

Hmmm, as a catholic I might just give this one a miss. Might as well ask an African American to go to a Klan rally.

I think it is more like asking a white European / American to attend an anti-slavery commemoration. It all depends on your view.

Burning crosses? Check
People wearing hooded robes? Check
Anti-catholic slogans? Check
Burning of catholic effigies? Check

Still sounds like the Klan to me. Just a different target.

A horrible horrible tradition.

cal_stewart

TheBigBean wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

Hmmm, as a catholic I might just give this one a miss. Might as well ask an African American to go to a Klan rally.

I think it is more like asking a white European / American to attend an anti-slavery commemoration. It all depends on your view.

don't know like 1 to 1.5 million European slaves when took between the 16th and 19th by Barbary pirates. also the word slave comes from slav.

But I get your point

TheBigBean

Timoid. wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

Hmmm, as a catholic I might just give this one a miss. Might as well ask an African American to go to a Klan rally.

I think it is more like asking a white European / American to attend an anti-slavery commemoration. It all depends on your view.

Burning crosses? Check
People wearing hooded robes? Check
Anti-catholic slogans? Check
Burning of catholic effigies? Check

Still sounds like the Klan to me. Just a different target.

A horrible horrible tradition.

I think you misunderstand the event. It is not anti-catholic - it is anti the Marian persecutions. It is not against the current pope it is against Pope Paul V. It is not about burning crosses as a representation of Catholicism - it is about burning the crosses on which the martyrs were originally burnt.

There is a substantial difference between commemorating the appalling crimes of the past and a modern day witch hunt against someone based on the colour of their skin or their religion. Overall, I find it more offensive that the Catholic church (and most other religions) would like to forget about its past crimes than some small community in Sussex wishes to commemorate an unsavoury event. But as I said, it all depends on your point of view, and if a reminder of the past is offensive, then you would be wise to give it a miss.

Paul 8v

Definitely a bit Klan!

fleshtuxedo

To the People of Lewes:

HAPPY NOW???

timoid.

TheBigBean wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

Hmmm, as a catholic I might just give this one a miss. Might as well ask an African American to go to a Klan rally.

I think it is more like asking a white European / American to attend an anti-slavery commemoration. It all depends on your view.

Burning crosses? Check
People wearing hooded robes? Check
Anti-catholic slogans? Check
Burning of catholic effigies? Check

Still sounds like the Klan to me. Just a different target.

A horrible horrible tradition.

I think you misunderstand the event. It is not anti-catholic - it is anti the Marian persecutions. It is not against the current pope it is against Pope Paul V. It is not about burning crosses as a representation of Catholicism - it is about burning the crosses on which the martyrs were originally burnt.

There is a substantial difference between commemorating the appalling crimes of the past and a modern day witch hunt against someone based on the colour of their skin or their religion. Overall, I find it more offensive that the Catholic church (and most other religions) would like to forget about its past crimes than some small community in Sussex wishes to commemorate an unsavoury event. But as I said, it all depends on your point of view, and if a reminder of the past is offensive, then you would be wise to give it a miss.

Not anti-catholic?



Quite.

Wonder why the Bonfire societies were formed in the 1850s? Co-incided with the re-establishment of Catholic bishoprics in 1850.

I suggest you learn your history.

dougzz

Belittling and offending any religious (cult) group gets my vote.

TheBigBean

My original question has been answered, so I think I will leave this thread now.

oneof1982

Voodooo :evil: :twisted:

natrix

oneof1982 wrote:

Voodooo :evil: :twisted:

Well, Wiggo's just been knocked off his bike, so it certainly looks like it :twisted:

Paul 8v

Maybe it was one of this lot hunting him down....

d87francis

Timoid. wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

Hmmm, as a catholic I might just give this one a miss. Might as well ask an African American to go to a Klan rally.

I think it is more like asking a white European / American to attend an anti-slavery commemoration. It all depends on your view.

Burning crosses? Check
People wearing hooded robes? Check
Anti-catholic slogans? Check
Burning of catholic effigies? Check

Still sounds like the Klan to me. Just a different target.

A horrible horrible tradition.

I think you misunderstand the event. It is not anti-catholic - it is anti the Marian persecutions. It is not against the current pope it is against Pope Paul V. It is not about burning crosses as a representation of Catholicism - it is about burning the crosses on which the martyrs were originally burnt.

There is a substantial difference between commemorating the appalling crimes of the past and a modern day witch hunt against someone based on the colour of their skin or their religion. Overall, I find it more offensive that the Catholic church (and most other religions) would like to forget about its past crimes than some small community in Sussex wishes to commemorate an unsavoury event. But as I said, it all depends on your point of view, and if a reminder of the past is offensive, then you would be wise to give it a miss.

Not anti-catholic?



Quite.

Wonder why the Bonfire societies were formed in the 1850s? Co-incided with the re-establishment of Catholic bishoprics in 1850.

I suggest you learn your history.

What's horrible or wrong about criticising Catholics/the pope? They do sort of bring it upon themselves.