Millar Interview in the Graun

disgruntledgoat

Apologies if already posted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/05/david-millar-cycling?commentpage=2#start-of-comments

Richmond Racer

Millar drops the c bomb. Surprise!

In earlier interviews and articles he was giving Fat Pat the benefit of the doubt - I put that down to trying to give FP a carrot to throw Verbruggen under the truck to save himself. Looks like Millar's come around to the belief that FP's beyond hope

oneof1982

Millar is spot on in his analysis of Kimmage.

"Don't fcuk* with fanatics."

* I see the guardian is a lot more tolerant than this forum. :roll:

mike6

I can see where he is coming from re Kimmage. The sport he loved, and hoped to make a career out of, burned him badly so he was/is distraught and campaigning to save it from itself.
Not unlike a lot of us, I suspect.
I love cycle sport and hate the cheats, and the people running the UCI for being complicit.

davidof

Not that tolerant, I got moderated for suggesting that Switzerland is a haven for corrupt sports governing bodies. Which is true.

above_the_cows

davidof wrote:

Not that tolerant, I got moderated for suggesting that Switzerland is a haven for corrupt sports governing bodies. Which is true.

Oh that was you. I gave you a recommend if it helps.

harrydaisy

its a good article, but Im still not sure about Millar... I think his view are important but he seems to be positioning himself for a senior role in the UCI (too be fair he would be a massive improvement) but Im not 100% convinced...

sheffsimon

harrydaisy wrote:

its a good article, but Im still not sure about Millar... I think his view are important but he seems to be positioning himself for a senior role in the UCI (too be fair he would be a massive improvement) but Im not 100% convinced...

Ex-doper in a senior role in the UCI...that should bring some credibility back... :roll:

A quote from the article...

"Pat has to show volition to change the UCI. I've said to him before that the first step is to show complete recognition of the past and assume responsibility for it. But, with the UCI, there still seems to be a sense of denial and an 'us and them' approach".....maybe Millar should assume responsibility and retire from the sport, rather than constantly talking about his past mistakes whilst still happily being paid by the sport he helped drag through the sh1t.

mercsport

When was it that 'fuck' and 'cunt' entered the Grauniad's style-sheet lexicon? Or is that excused in the online edition? I never see the print edition these days.

Richmond Racer

mercsport wrote:

When was it that 'fark' and '****' entered the Grauniad's style-sheet lexicon? Or is that excused in the online edition? I never see the print edition these days.

It was in glorious print

rebs

I really cant see Millar really wanting any role in the UCI. He must know that no matter what he preaches now he'll never be the right guy for the job. Certainly not encouraging him to being silent though. He'll never be someone to take a full on leadership role in cycling management, but is very likely to be very active in media roles ... a place where he can always speak his mind.

This is similar with Vaughters/Garmin There current position works but will only have a short life span because they start have too much baggage to carry around. There will be a cut off period for people to have 2nd chances if the sport is managed sometime in the future (at this rate when hell freezes over)

dave_1

I don't really believe David Millar at the moment. How can he turn on Landis 2 years ago and now say it is best for the sport that the Armstrong skeletons are dealt with??? Floyd and Tyler showed us where the bodies were buried. Brad Mghee showed contempt for Tyler a few days ago too in his interview. SO, what do Millar and Mghee really believe? I think they are more omerta than anything. I am not a fan of digging up too many skeletons either..but just wanted people not to be persuaded too much by David in case there is another side to him he wants us to forget

David Millar said

He's reached the end of the road and I just find it disgusting," said Millar from his home training base in Girona, Spain. "He's a liar and a cheat and he has nothing left in cycling so he just wants to burn the house down."

After Landis' ban four years ago, Millar said he tried calling him to give advice on how to return to the sport. He never received a return call.

"If he had stood up and manned up four years ago, he'd be racing the Tour de France now," Millar said. "He'd have a different book out. He'd have not lost a penny. He'd be admired by young people. He would have a different life ahead of him. He'd be in a decent mental state. He'd be sober.

"And he'd be married."

philbar72

my view is that he's obviously intelligent, talented etc, but to me he seems as if there is something else in the back ground. he will be used by the beeb, i beleive, as he was to great effect for the worlds this year. i think he's more suited to a media position than one of authority in a corrupt organisation. I just do not think he'd be up to it and the spectre of his EPO and cortisone use is well documented.

Just my £0.02

Richmond Racer

philbar72 wrote:

my view is that he's obviously intelligent, talented etc, but to me he seems as if there is something else in the back ground. he will be used by the beeb, i beleive, as he was to great effect for the worlds this year. i think he's more suited to a media position than one of authority in a corrupt organisation. I just do not think he'd be up to it and the spectre of his EPO and cortisone use is well documented.

Just my £0.02

Yeah, I think on retirement he's more likely to take up a combined media-commentator-journo career, plus possibly an expanded role along the lines of the WADA Athletes committee (where I'm sure he does do and can continue to do good stuff). There's too much history and baggage for him to be accepted into a role heading up the sport's governance.

ddraver

Dave_1 wrote:

I don't really believe David Millar at the moment. How can he turn on Landis 2 years ago and now say it is best for the sport that the Armstrong skeletons are dealt with??? Floyd and Tyler showed us where the bodies were buried. Brad Mghee showed contempt for Tyler a few days ago too in his interview. SO, what do Millar and Mghee really believe? I think they are more omerta than anything. I am not a fan of digging up too many skeletons either..but just wanted people not to be persuaded too much by David in case there is another side to him he wants us to forget

David Millar said

He's reached the end of the road and I just find it disgusting," said Millar from his home training base in Girona, Spain. "He's a liar and a cheat and he has nothing left in cycling so he just wants to burn the house down."

After Landis' ban four years ago, Millar said he tried calling him to give advice on how to return to the sport. He never received a return call.

"If he had stood up and manned up four years ago, he'd be racing the Tour de France now," Millar said. "He'd have a different book out. He'd have not lost a penny. He'd be admired by young people. He would have a different life ahead of him. He'd be in a decent mental state. He'd be sober.

"And he'd be married."

What is it you particularly disagree with there Dave?

dave_1

ddraver wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

I don't really believe David Millar at the moment. How can he turn on Landis 2 years ago and now say it is best for the sport that the Armstrong skeletons are dealt with??? Floyd and Tyler showed us where the bodies were buried. Brad Mghee showed contempt for Tyler a few days ago too in his interview. SO, what do Millar and Mghee really believe? I think they are more omerta than anything. I am not a fan of digging up too many skeletons either..but just wanted people not to be persuaded too much by David in case there is another side to him he wants us to forget

David Millar said

He's reached the end of the road and I just find it disgusting," said Millar from his home training base in Girona, Spain. "He's a liar and a cheat and he has nothing left in cycling so he just wants to burn the house down."

After Landis' ban four years ago, Millar said he tried calling him to give advice on how to return to the sport. He never received a return call.

"If he had stood up and manned up four years ago, he'd be racing the Tour de France now," Millar said. "He'd have a different book out. He'd have not lost a penny. He'd be admired by young people. He would have a different life ahead of him. He'd be in a decent mental state. He'd be sober.

"And he'd be married."

What is it you particularly disagree with there Dave?

I was just wondering how he can shoot the messenger-disgusting, a liar, a cheat who wants to burn the house down, yet now says the outcome of Landis' emails was "the best thing to happen".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... cling.html

ddraver

Ok I'm playing devils advocate, but Hamilton and Landis still lied and cheated. Ok so they then came clean and since have helped uncover the truth, but that doesn't mean that they didn't cheat. Depending on your opinion, it may go some way to absolving them tho, but at the time of that statement, Millar wasn't to know it was t truth.

At least Millar didn't try and get off his drugs charge.or scam a significant amoumt if money from people, he fessed up straight away.

rick_chasey

Dave_1 wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

I don't really believe David Millar at the moment. How can he turn on Landis 2 years ago and now say it is best for the sport that the Armstrong skeletons are dealt with??? Floyd and Tyler showed us where the bodies were buried. Brad Mghee showed contempt for Tyler a few days ago too in his interview. SO, what do Millar and Mghee really believe? I think they are more omerta than anything. I am not a fan of digging up too many skeletons either..but just wanted people not to be persuaded too much by David in case there is another side to him he wants us to forget

David Millar said

He's reached the end of the road and I just find it disgusting," said Millar from his home training base in Girona, Spain. "He's a liar and a cheat and he has nothing left in cycling so he just wants to burn the house down."

After Landis' ban four years ago, Millar said he tried calling him to give advice on how to return to the sport. He never received a return call.

"If he had stood up and manned up four years ago, he'd be racing the Tour de France now," Millar said. "He'd have a different book out. He'd have not lost a penny. He'd be admired by young people. He would have a different life ahead of him. He'd be in a decent mental state. He'd be sober.

"And he'd be married."

What is it you particularly disagree with there Dave?

I was just wondering how he can shoot the messenger-disgusting, a liar, a cheat who wants to burn the house down, yet now says the outcome of Landis' emails was "the best thing to happen".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... cling.html

I rekcon he's just changed his mind in hindsight.

Most people aren't always consistent.

dave_1

ddraver wrote:

Ok I'm playing devils advocate, but Hamilton and Landis still lied and cheated. Ok so they then came clean and since have helped uncover the truth, but that doesn't mean that they didn't cheat. Depending on your opinion, it may go some way to absolving them tho, but at the time of that statement, Millar wasn't to know it was t truth.

At least Millar didn't try and get off his drugs charge.or scam a significant amoumt if money from people, he fessed up straight away.

I dunno...I want to believe Millar. Rick also has a point that people's views change over time. I would like a journo with access to ask Millar point blank what he thinks of Floyd Landis now.