Amateur's doping.

jibberjim

hammerite wrote:

I should probably have got a TUE for them.

You do not need a TUE for anything in advance as an amateur in the UK - when you're tested and you fill in the medications you're taking, you may need to apply for a retrospective TUE. It's not guaranteed of course that you'll get one, however it's extremely, extremely, unlikely that you won't.

ridley2010

you hear horror stories of people eating normal everyday foods which would show up on a drug test. I'm going to live on bread and water so i know im clean from now on.

hammerite

jibberjim wrote:

hammerite wrote:

I should probably have got a TUE for them.

You do not need a TUE for anything in advance as an amateur in the UK - when you're tested and you fill in the medications you're taking, you may need to apply for a retrospective TUE. It's not guaranteed of course that you'll get one, however it's extremely, extremely, unlikely that you won't.

Well that's useful to know, thanks Jim.

celbianchi

Herbsman was correct according to this study. Amateurs get a lot of bang for their buck with EPo

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/11 ... e-who.html

An extract
EPO use improved time to exhaustion by an enormous 54% within 4 weeks! Peak Power Output improved by 13% in the first four weeks of the trial.

dbb

i think it is pretty easy to fail a drug test for a pro. if i recall correctly, some every day medicines are banned. eg sudafed

Herbsman

celbianchi wrote:

Herbsman was correct according to this study. Amateurs get a lot of bang for their buck with EPo

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/11 ... e-who.html

An extract
EPO use improved time to exhaustion by an enormous 54% within 4 weeks! Peak Power Output improved by 13% in the first four weeks of the trial.

I've seen that article before...

Neil Buckley

celbianchi wrote:

Herbsman was correct according to this study. Amateurs get a lot of bang for their buck with EPo

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/11 ... e-who.html

An extract
EPO use improved time to exhaustion by an enormous 54% within 4 weeks! Peak Power Output improved by 13% in the first four weeks of the trial.

Crikey, you can see why people could be tempted...

jibberjim

dbb wrote:

i think it is pretty easy to fail a drug test for a pro. if i recall correctly, some every day medicines are banned. eg sudafed

No, you have to pretty bloody dumb to fail a test as a pro.

Sudafed does contain Pseudoephredine, which is banned in competition but it has a limit, and it's a limit which no normal athlete will breach if taking the recommended dose. So not only do you need to be dumb enough not to check what you're taking as a pro, you also need to overdose on those which which are everyday medicines.

SBezza

Here is the limit for Pseudoephredine

***** Pseudoephedrine is prohibited when its concentration in urine is greater than 150 micrograms per milliliter.

You would probably have to take a fair bit of cold medicine to achieve the limit, as such if you were close to it and not trying to dope, you probably wouldn't be racing anyhow

It is on the Monitoring Program though the limit still applies

shockedsoshocked

SwainsL wrote:

Herbsman wrote:

Actually, there is reason to believe that the amateur would benefit more than the pro.

Nobody is saying that doping makes you superhuman, in fact nobody suggested anything like that, so I don't know where you got that idea from. However, training and racing is a pro's full time job; they will already be near their full potential, so they have less room for improvement. Whereas an amateur, due to time constraints, would be nowhere near their full potental - thus much more room for improvement. Theoretically, doping could potentially have a more significant effect on the amateur. I'm not saying drugs would allow a third category rider to compete in a professional race - just that they would wee-wee all over other third cats.

I disagree, drugs will mostly help an athlete who is at optimal fitness. The amateur rider will not be able to see the same applicable benefit simply because they aren't fit enough. It's like giving an overweight person Usain Bolt's shoes and expecting him to run much faster. I'm not saying they will not improve at all, in contrast they will not be able to reap the benefits as much as a pro would.

Wrong. Sedentary people given EPO display an enormous increase in VO2 Max without even training.

giropaul

dbb wrote:

i think it is pretty easy to fail a drug test for a pro. if i recall correctly, some every day medicines are banned. eg sudafed

Actually, it's "easier" for an amateur to go positive. The big pro teams have doctors who will monitor anything a rider takes and ensure that any required pharmaceuticals are legal, or have an appropriate TUE. Smaller teams will usually have a soigneur, and any soigneur worth their salt will have a Mimms or similar to check out over-the-counter medicines and advise riders accordingly.

Amateurs are the ones who are unlikely to think about the cold cure they had yesterday etc.

Harley35

It's the same principle as someone taking steroids down the local gym. Big gains, fast and easier than the years of training.