the big bang

freddiegrubb
freddiegrubb Posts: 448
edited November 2012 in The cake stop
If we are to believe in the beginning there was nothing ( there HAD to be something) it would follow there was no atmosphere, which = no noise so should it not be the big quiet. As sigourney weaver found out "in space nobody can hear you scream".
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  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    But there lies the paradox. Where did the "something" come from?
    Pondering that will do your head in.
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • team47b
    team47b Posts: 6,425
    The big bang is the theory of what occurred after the beginning of the universe, before that the event doesn't even have a name, I suggest the Quiet Sssssh, and yes in space you are right no one can hear ice cream
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    as the universe is expanding, it therefore it is capable of contracting, so the big bang could have been the end result of the last contraction to start the expansion once again ad infinitum..oh and have you heard my theory on dinosaurs.. they're thin at one end much, much thicker in the middle and thin again at the far end, right that's that sorted now to solve the world economic problems, illness, disease war etc, but first must have some lunch :D
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    bianchimoon wrote:
    as the universe is expanding, it therefore it is capable of contracting, so the big bang could have been the end result of the last contraction to start the expansion once again ad infinitum..oh and have you heard my theory on dinosaurs.. they're thin at one end much, much thicker in the middle and thin again at the far end, right that's that sorted now to solve the world economic problems, illness, disease war etc, but first must have some lunch :D
    Ah, but the expansion or contracting must have started somewhere, and with "something" otherwise nothing is expanding or contracting.
    Back to square one. :wink:
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • willhub
    willhub Posts: 821
    There must have being SOMETHING forever, how does SOMETHIGN just randomly appear, what was here before the universe, and before that, and before that and so on, on, on, on, onn, onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn........................................................................................
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    well it wasn't really that there was nothing, there was just no time to measure it against, ie time didn't exist before the big bang, therefore being no time there was nothing to exist in it... possibly.. who knows
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    obviously not me :D
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    I don't think anyone knows, although some are making a career out of it.
    As long as they are, I will be the annoying 6 year old asking why? Why? Why?.... :wink:
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    i think you need the stock answer, 'because' .. now go and tidy your room :)
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    Why?
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    Lets just pretend that some mythical big guy done it and ran away. :lol:
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    yeah, but which mythical guy? there seem to be quiet a few about all trying to get credit so they can open their big sunday (or friday) shops and get governments and gullible members of the public to give them money?
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • pb21
    pb21 Posts: 2,171
    What existed before the big bang implies something exists now. If something does exist now do we actually know what it is and can therefore say it didn’t exist before?
    Mañana
  • DevonClimber
    DevonClimber Posts: 90
    What we do know is that the universe is expanding and that logic plus observational evidence, such as CMB Cosmic Microwave Background tells us it began from a single point.
    What we don't know, yet, is if it was the only one to happen or part of a collection of events such as Brane, String or others theories. There is strong mathematical evidence for many of them.
    Another thing to consider when thinking about what happened before the BB is that we are only just delving into a hidden world, where all the the standard notions and parameters of human thought may just go out of the window so to speak, such as the words we tend to use to make sense of the world like, "before", "start" and "end". There are possibilities of other dimensions, and to start to tackle it you have to change the way you think.
    “If you do what always do, you'll get what you always get.”
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    DevonClimber wrote:
    what happened before the BB, where all the the standard notions and parameters of human thought may just go out of the window .

    Spooky Big Bang (BB) has the same initials as Bottom Bracket (BB) where again, all the the standard notions and parameters of human thought go out of the window :shock:
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    You're defining the problem in terms of what your puny brain can understand. Time and space are different to how you preceive them. The 'instant' that wasn't an instant in the way you comprehend it.

    You don't need to know 'what happened', where the matter 'came from' or what's going 'to happen next'. The answer to these questions is beyond your understanding. Run along and find some crayons to play with.
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    Why? :twisted:
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    daviesee wrote:
    Why? :twisted:

    Why what?
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    ouch, yes master
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    GiantMike wrote:
    daviesee wrote:
    Why? :twisted:

    Why what?
    Why are they different to how I perceive them?
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    daviesee wrote:
    GiantMike wrote:
    daviesee wrote:
    Why? :twisted:

    Why what?
    Why are they different to how I perceive them?

    How many dimensions can you perceive or comprehend?

    Everything you understand is a simplification of 'reality' based on the limitations of your powers of understanding. I'm not being funny or insulting, but nobody can ever understand what happened because we're just too simple-minded to actually understand it.

    Now, where are my crayons?
  • pb21
    pb21 Posts: 2,171
    GiantMike wrote:
    daviesee wrote:
    GiantMike wrote:
    daviesee wrote:
    Why? :twisted:

    Why what?
    Why are they different to how I perceive them?

    How many dimensions can you perceive or comprehend?

    Everything you understand is a simplification of 'reality' based on the limitations of your powers of understanding. I'm not being funny or insulting, but nobody can ever understand what happened because we're just too simple-minded to actually understand it.

    Now, where are my crayons?

    Maybe its analogous to the fact that our eyes (unaided) cant ‘see’ the majority of the EM spectrum, except much, much more complicated!
    Mañana
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    GiantMike wrote:
    Everything you understand is a simplification of 'reality' based on the limitations of your powers of understanding. I'm not being funny or insulting, but nobody can ever understand what happened because we're just too simple-minded to actually understand it.

    Now, where are my crayons?
    Again, the answer is that no one knows.
    Can they stop pretending that they do then?
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • willhub
    willhub Posts: 821
    we're all on a pitri dish or w/e they called, time is on a different scale for us, so the needle is slowely coming down onto the dish, when it hits the dish we're dead.
  • Tom Dean
    Tom Dean Posts: 1,723
    GiantMike wrote:
    nobody can ever understand what happened because we're just too simple-minded to actually understand it.
    Speak for yourself :wink: New discoveries are made, and our understanding improves every day.

    Here is an interesting lecture, 'A Universe From Nothing': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
  • Kieran_Burns
    Kieran_Burns Posts: 9,757
    For something to exist it must be measurable. As there was no Time before the Big Bang then nothing could exist as there was time for it to exist in.

    Ergo, you have no time to worry about this problem.

    What you should be worrying about are all these imaginary people you keep seeing every day.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Can I offer an alternative theory here? Maybe there is a superior being, let's call it 'God', and this superior being has always been there and created everything (well, it makes as much sense of the big bang ;) ).
  • Kieran_Burns
    Kieran_Burns Posts: 9,757
    Pross wrote:
    Can I offer an alternative theory here? Maybe there is a superior being, let's call it 'God', and this superior being has always been there and created everything (well, it makes as much sense of the big bang ;) ).

    Personally I place my faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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  • Tom Dean
    Tom Dean Posts: 1,723
    Pross wrote:
    Can I offer an alternative theory here?
    Only if there is some evidence to support it :wink:
  • desweller
    desweller Posts: 5,175
    It was me, guys. I was trying to make a soufflé but got my vanilla essence mixed up with my jar of dark matter. Sorry for the mess.
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