Giro Livestrong helmet - Mugged!

DB100

A couple of years ago my mum died of cancer at 59. I was in the market for a new helmet; I bought a Giro Livestrong helmet. I cannot now, with any sense of well being, wear this helmet.
Lance owes me £169 in my opinion. I have been mugged.
I hope all others that have been deceived by him take legal action to recover the monies they have paid this, I want to swear but I can't, so I'll say MAN. Will he ever look his kids in the face and explain to them what he has done. Or will he continue to delude himself.
The UCI need to man up, they have questions to answer.
Dies anyone have a link to the Paul Kimmage fighting fund?

MattC59

I think you're confusing supporting the man, with supporting a worthy cancer charity which has raised millions for good causes.

Are you saying that the people who have benefited from Livestrong are no longer worthy of the donations ?

:roll:

alihisgreat

I'll lend you my sharpie if you want and you can colour the yellow bits in.

DB100

MattC59 wrote:

I think you're confusing supporting the man, with supporting a worthy cancer charity which has raised millions for good causes.

:roll:

No, not confusing the two, believe me. As long as Armstrong is involved in that organisation, I do not feel comfortable with it. Ask Nike, if they're confusing the brand with the man, or if they're worried about customers doing the same.
He has lied, bullied, cheated, doped, yet they seem to want to keep him.
Rather strange I think. My money will be going to CLiC sergeant from now on.

turnerjohn

MattC59 wrote:

I think you're confusing supporting the man, with supporting a worthy cancer charity which has raised millions for good causes.

:roll:

regardly of what doping he did or didn't do there's no denning the work effort and money raised for cancer research and whats been achieved and highlighted...don't be bitter wear it for the charity and not the man !

ShutUpLegs

DB100 wrote:

Will he ever look his kids in the face and explain to them what he has done. Or will he continue to delude himself.

Dad! Dad! Dad!!!!

MattC59

I guess you'll be queuing up with neeb to hand in your Oakleys too ?

jay197

I thought Livestrong dropped him last month?

Joeblack

I know!! Seriously!!!

I'm very sorry to hear about your mum, but money that goes into cancer research has made a massive differance over the last 20 years, some of this money has come from Livestrong and LA's involvement in that cause, he has done wrong as many have before him however he has also done ALOT of good and by not supporting companies like Livestrong you are only hurting future cancer sufferers.

As said above if its really hurting then colour in the bits pink and show your reason for wearing it in that way.

Ps - just to be clear, do you think Livestrong should be completely boycottied? What about the Tiger woods foundation should that be shut down? Where would you stop.

proto

turnerjohn wrote:

regardly of what doping he did or didn't do there's no denning the work effort and money raised for cancer research and whats been achieved and highlighted...don't be bitter wear it for the charity and not the man !

I could be wrong, but pretty sure Livestrong doesn't make any contribution to cancer research.

Pretty amazing though that a mere professional cyclist can amass an estimated $100million fortune. Cancer, and Livestrong, has been very good to Mr Armstrong.

MattC59

proto wrote:

turnerjohn wrote:

regardly of what doping he did or didn't do there's no denning the work effort and money raised for cancer research and whats been achieved and highlighted...don't be bitter wear it for the charity and not the man !

I could be wrong, but pretty sure Livestrong doesn't make any contribution to cancer research.

Pretty amazing though that a mere professional cyclist can amass an estimated $100million fortune. Cancer, and Livestrong, has been very good to Mr Armstrong.

And of course, his books, sponsorship deals etc haven't contributed to that......

rolf_f

proto wrote:

turnerjohn wrote:

regardly of what doping he did or didn't do there's no denning the work effort and money raised for cancer research and whats been achieved and highlighted...don't be bitter wear it for the charity and not the man !

I could be wrong, but pretty sure Livestrong doesn't make any contribution to cancer research.

A few years ago Livestrong did contribute to research but now it's mainly about 'awareness'. I'm sure Livestrong has done a lot of good - it's just that there are other charities which are probably doing rather more good for the money.

dodgy

proto wrote:

turnerjohn wrote:

regardly of what doping he did or didn't do there's no denning the work effort and money raised for cancer research and whats been achieved and highlighted...don't be bitter wear it for the charity and not the man !

I could be wrong, but pretty sure Livestrong doesn't make any contribution to cancer research.

Pretty amazing though that a mere professional cyclist can amass an estimated $100million fortune. Cancer, and Livestrong, has been very good to Mr Armstrong.

Livestrong.org
livestrong.com

2 different sites, look it up. Most of the money is going into the .com site as far as I'm aware.

mike6

proto wrote:

turnerjohn wrote:

regardly of what doping he did or didn't do there's no denning the work effort and money raised for cancer research and whats been achieved and highlighted...don't be bitter wear it for the charity and not the man !

I could be wrong, but pretty sure Livestrong doesn't make any contribution to cancer research.

Pretty amazing though that a mere professional cyclist can amass an estimated $100million fortune. Cancer, and Livestrong, has been very good to Mr Armstrong.

You could be right Proto. There were a number of questions asked a couple of years ago regarding the work Livestrong was doing, and the answer was, If I remember correctly, that the money was used to "Raise the awareness of cancer", and they did not donate cash any more.

Sorry but there are amoebe on the planet Saturn that are aware of this illness. What gave me pause for thought was the huge palatial offices used to house the foundation. Why? Most charities use volunteers and work from a room to keep overheads down. Also, apparently, lots of money was wasted on chartering private jets for the "board members" to travel in style. Form over function as far as I can see, and all to raise the awareness of Mr Armstrong I think.

desweller

I think the dough that doesn't go into 'overheads' goes into support services for cancer sufferers and their families. AFAIK they make no financial contribution to medical research of any kind.

thefd

proto wrote:

turnerjohn wrote:

regardly of what doping he did or didn't do there's no denning the work effort and money raised for cancer research and whats been achieved and highlighted...don't be bitter wear it for the charity and not the man !

I could be wrong, but pretty sure Livestrong doesn't make any contribution to cancer research.

Pretty amazing though that a mere professional cyclist can amass an estimated $100million fortune. Cancer, and Livestrong, has been very good to Mr Armstrong.

This article seems to indicate that much of the money does go to cancer research. This may be different to Livestrong - I'm not sure!

Eighty million of his yellow plastic bracelets have been sold across the world, raising huge amounts of money for cancer research. Last year $35.8 million went through the charity's books. Importantly 82 per cent of that cash was passed on directly to research programmes, a total of more than $29.3 million. In the world of charity, that is a rare hit rate.

drfriend1978

I was given a Livestrong gilet last year by some friends to celebrate some fantastic reults my Dad had received halfway through his treatment for a brain tumour. Unfortunately Dad died two months later.

I still wear the gilet though. I never wore it out of admiration for Lance, but for my Dad.

proto

Rolf F wrote:

A few years ago Livestrong did contribute to research but now it's mainly about 'awareness'. I'm sure Livestrong has done a lot of good - it's just that there are other charities which are probably doing rather more good for the money.

This is my understanding too. Livestrong no longer funds cancer research.

Can't think there are too many charity executives floating around the world in private jets, but Armstrong was one. He's still on the board of Livestrong, but no longer the President/Chairman.

tiredofwhiners

DB100 wrote:

Lance owes me £169 in my opinion. I have been mugged.
I hope all others that have been deceived by him take legal action to recover the monies they have paid this

If this is what you really think, and how your brain works, then see a doctor as your brain is clearly broken. Seriosuly, get a life or see a doctor as your sense of how the world works is warped.

Dislike him fine, wish you hadn't spent the money - fine, but expecting 'to recover monies' is plain old dumb.

MountainMonster

At the end of the day Armstrong has done tons for cancer surivors, if you really feel the way you do, then tell all the cancer survivors who have been helped by Livestrong they owe you the money back.

Doping or no doping, he. Has done lot of for cancer.

You sir are a selfish taunt to want to demand your money back.

rolf_f

TheFD wrote:

This article seems to indicate that much of the money does go to cancer research. This may be different to Livestrong - I'm not sure!

Trouble is that there doesn't appear to be any actual research in that article.

Livestrong wrote:

Research Program

LIVESTRONG is proud of our ten-year history in funding important projects to advance the field of survivorship research. The goal of our research program always has been for our dollars to address those gaps that we are most uniquely qualified to address. In 2009, we spent the year reviewing gaps and opportunities—including convening an advisory committee of leaders in cancer research, biotechnology and health information technology. This process resulted in big changes in our research strategy—changes we are excited about and that we believe can transform the way cancer is addressed throughout the world.

As a result of this process, LIVESTRONG will not be accepting grant applications for extramural research in 2010.

LIVESTRONG’s strategy in 2010 will be to transform its investigator-driven research program to focus on patient participation and empowerment in research with an emphasis on leveraging advances in health information technology. We are in the planning process and will provide additional information throughout 2010.

Additionally, LIVESTRONG will continue to advocate on federal and state levels for more funding for cancer research and will continue to engage the public and policymakers in our efforts to increase cancer research funding globally. We continue to believe that research is a vital component of our mission and aim to leverage our dollars for the greatest impact.

From: http://www.kintera.org/site/c.khLXK1PxH ... search.htm

Draw your own conclusions.

Here is an article that at least appears to have resulted from actual research rather than trawling the endless circle of the internet. Of course, maybe it is no more accurate than the other but at least it looks vaguely convincing and gives both the positives and negatives .....

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-ad ... l?page=all

hipshot

MountainMonster wrote:

At the end of the day Armstrong has done tons for cancer surivors, if you really feel the way you do, then tell all the cancer survivors who have been helped by Livestrong they owe you the money back.

Doping or no doping, he. Has done lot of for cancer.

You sir are a selfish taunt to want to demand your money back.

That's two threads now where the OP has been villified for making a point about products associated with LA.

Like a lot of people I never liked Armstrong, even before any controversy- there was something cynically corporate about how he went about exploiting his success/recovery, but I can totally understand people who sincerely bought into the Livestrong idea feel betrayed and ripped off.

If anyone should be mocked it's the people who think the ends justify the means and that giving to charity absolves you from being a fraud and a shyster.

Hoopdriver

MountainMonster wrote:

At the end of the day Armstrong has done tons for cancer surivors, if you really feel the way you do, then tell all the cancer survivors who have been helped by Livestrong they owe you the money back.

Doping or no doping, he. Has done lot of for cancer.

You sir are a selfish taunt to want to demand your money back.

Not selfish, but disillusioned and misguided. Asking for or expecting a refund is kind of silly. Feeling disillusioned is not.

Where Lance is on the cancer issue depends on whether or not you see the motives behind an action as the determining factor of its worth, or that of the do-er, or if it is simply the doing of the act itself that makes the act and him god or bad.

As for actual cancer research, Livestrong doesn't do any or contribute to any. They raise awareness, whatever that means.

rich164h

It should be remembered that that even if Livestrong doesn't fund research directly, some of the support services that it does fund would probably have otherwise been covered using money from other donors, and those monies may now have been put into research. i.e. whilst no direct investment is made, the indirect benefit is more research is funded and undertaken.