Lance Armstrong , and what now

ademort

Obviously the revelations about Lance Armstrong have rocked the cycling world to it,s foundations. He will go down as the biggest CHEAT in sporting history.I would be interested to see just how many of the famous Americans stand by him and continue to support the Livestrong programme, only time will tell. We need to ask ourselves, if Armstrong has been using all these years just how many other riders have been using. Finally, how as a sport can we ever prevent it from happening again and be sure that all riders are 100% drug free.Yes we do have these so called biological passports but are they foolproof???
Ademort

greasedscotsman

ademort wrote:

Finally, how as a sport can we ever prevent it from happening again and be sure that all riders are 100% drug free.

You can't.

fast as fupp

ademort wrote:

Obviously the revelations about Lance Armstrong have rocked the cycling world to it,s foundations. He will go down as the biggest CHEAT in sporting history.I would be interested to see just how many of the famous Americans stand by him and continue to support the Livestrong programme, only time will tell. We need to ask ourselves, if Armstrong has been using all these years just how many other riders have been using. Finally, how as a sport can we ever prevent it from happening again and be sure that all riders are 100% drug free.Yes we do have these so called biological passports but are they foolproof???
Ademort

they were all at it in those days= level playing field

Smokin Joe

ademort wrote:

Obviously the revelations about Lance Armstrong have rocked the cycling world to it,s foundations. He will go down as the biggest CHEAT in sporting history.I would be interested to see just how many of the famous Americans stand by him and continue to support the Livestrong programme, only time will tell. We need to ask ourselves, if Armstrong has been using all these years just how many other riders have been using. Finally, how as a sport can we ever prevent it from happening again and be sure that all riders are 100% drug free.Yes we do have these so called biological passports but are they foolproof???
Ademort

Jesus, nooooooooooooooooooooooo :shock: :shock: :shock:

When did all this happen?????????

RDW

ademort wrote:

He will go down as the biggest CHEAT in sporting history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1904_Tour_de_France

"During the race, nine riders were excluded because of, among other actions, illegal use of cars or trains."

cougie

fast as fupp wrote:

ademort wrote:

Obviously the revelations about Lance Armstrong have rocked the cycling world to it,s foundations. He will go down as the biggest CHEAT in sporting history.I would be interested to see just how many of the famous Americans stand by him and continue to support the Livestrong programme, only time will tell. We need to ask ourselves, if Armstrong has been using all these years just how many other riders have been using. Finally, how as a sport can we ever prevent it from happening again and be sure that all riders are 100% drug free.Yes we do have these so called biological passports but are they foolproof???
Ademort

they were all at it in those days= level playing field

Obviously they weren't all at it. Not even everyone in his team was on it. But if you weren't then Lance didnt want you on his team. The level playing field is just an excuse to forgive Armstrong. We shouldn't.

B3rnieMac

it wasnt a level playing field :roll:

thomthom

B3rnieMac wrote:

it wasnt a level playing field :roll:

Exactly. That myth has got to stop.

Bobbinogs

B3rnieMac wrote:

it wasnt a level playing field :roll:

Surely that's ok as long as you swap ends at half time :?

fast as fupp

B3rnieMac wrote:

it wasnt a level playing field :roll:

so who, pray tell, out of armstongs GC rivals in this era was clean?

alihisgreat

fast as fupp wrote:

B3rnieMac wrote:

it wasnt a level playing field :roll:

so who, pray tell, out of armstongs GC rivals in this era was clean?

Its more about Armstrong having the funding and contacts to get access to the most effective forms of doping.

bobtbuilder

ALIHISGREAT wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

B3rnieMac wrote:

it wasnt a level playing field :roll:

so who, pray tell, out of armstongs GC rivals in this era was clean?

Its more about Armstrong having the funding and contacts to get access to the most effective forms of doping.

^^^This

Event if you discount the moral issue of drugs = cheating, the team with the biggest budget could afford the most effective doping regime, so it's never a level playing field.

Giraffoto

B3rnieMac wrote:

it wasnt a level playing field

If it was, "King of the Mountains" would be pretty pointless

dodgy

ThomThom wrote:

B3rnieMac wrote:

it wasnt a level playing field :roll:

Exactly. That myth has got to stop.

+1

Hoopdriver

To play a devil's advocate it never is a level playing field - the team with the biggest budget will always have the advantage.

fast as fupp

bobtbuilder wrote:

ALIHISGREAT wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

B3rnieMac wrote:

it wasnt a level playing field :roll:

so who, pray tell, out of armstongs GC rivals in this era was clean?

Its more about Armstrong having the funding and contacts to get access to the most effective forms of doping.

^^^This

Event if you discount the moral issue of drugs = cheating, the team with the biggest budget could afford the most effective doping regime, so it's never a level playing field.

biggest budget- better keep watching the skies

cougie

Most of Armstrongs GC rivals werent clean because if they were they would have no chance for the GC.

Clean riders have had years of chances taken away from them because doping let their rivals train harder and race harder.

D@VE

cougie wrote:

Most of Armstrongs GC rivals werent clean because if they were they would have no chance for the GC.

Clean riders have had years of chances taken away from them because doping let their rivals train harder and race harder.

One such person? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... acked.html
No big house but he can look his children in the eye.

MattC59

Bored now.

cookiemonster

First, from the '99 testing of the 87 samples retested in 2005, using the then new EPO testing, only 13 were positive. This suggests that, at least in '99, not everyone was using EPO, and therefore it was not a level playing field.

Second there are a good number of riders who left the sport or were forced out as they would not use ped's.

It was called "the two speed peleton" for a reason - precisely because it was not a level playing field!

jon

Hoopdriver

MattC59 wrote:

Bored now.

Me too