Armstrong - my take on it
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coriordan wrote:Its also somewhat ironic that he 'came back from the point of death to win the TdF' which in itself is no mean feat, PEDs or not, but it could have been in fact due to systematic abuse of steroids, testosterone, cortizone and specifically human growth hormone prior to his rise to the peak of professional cycling which gave him cancer in the 1st place.
Some background from another poster:
"I looked into this a while back. I found a limited amount of animal studies showing a possible link between anabolic steroids and testicular cancer, and some in vitro work demonstrating a possible mechanism, but nothing looking at populations of sportsmen or body builders.
However, it's worth noting that according to Lance's book, his cancer was producing the tumour marker betaHCG at levels tens of thousands of times above normal when he was diagnosed. BetaHCG happens to be on the banned list (it's used to kickstart normal testosterone production at the end of a course of anabolics). Lance's cancer should have been picked up by the last couple of dope tests he took. Why wasn't it?"0 -
Vinokourov - Gold medal. Seriously. Armstrong was an awesome rider in his day who has become a victim of his own success. Not that I'm condoning drug use in any way, but, the majority of pro cycling during, before and after the Armstrong era has been riddled with EPO and other performance enhancers. Yeah the guy's an egotistical, self absorbed dick but imho he's become the martyr whereby bringing him down (which will take years with his financial clout and legal support) will apparently cleanse the embarressed sport of pro cycling. Most of the team director's are as much, if not even more to blame for this nonsense. It's not about the bike, it's about the name with whome everyone can identify. During the suggesed Armstrong era who was really clean and good enough to be in contention? Óscar Pereiro - nope, Carlos Sastre was considered mr. clean but who really knows. The sport was a joke then and is now better for it.0
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blackhands wrote:verylonglegs wrote:You are 44 and you use yawn as an expression like a teenager. Perhaps forget the blogging and concentrate on your cycling?
...and learn to spell.
eh?
Pot calls kettle : viewtopic.php?f=40042&t=12875297#p17926614 :roll:0 -
There's a contrast from the clean Roger Hammond, who says for the two years he was on the team he saw no doping.Bikes, saddles and stuff
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21720915@N03/
More stuff:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65587945@N00/
Gears - Obscuring the goodness of singlespeed0 -
Stop talking up Larry as a rider, he hardly has the palmares of a great, even when juiced he was a pretty rubbish classics rider, he even got beat at Amstel by Boogie and failed numerous times at LBL.Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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Wrong it doesnt EFFING matter, just like jimmy saville everyone knew about it, but no one did any thing about itcoriordan wrote:Monty Dog wrote:The sad thing is that there were natural talents of that era who were denied the opportunity because they refused to take the drugs - to say the playing field was 'level' is utterly ridiculous.
And THIS is why it matters. It doesn't "NOT EFFING MATTER" as someone so kindly put it to all the victims. Not to mention the other ringleaders who are still in positions of significant influence in the worlds' leading pro cycling teams0 -
Tell it to the kids. I wish you were one of the molested ones so you understand a bit of the empathy. How dare they want closure0
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Wow, NewTTer, just wow! It doesn't matter that Saville sexually abused children? It doesn't matter that Armstrong destroyed careers and defrauded people of wins and money? Even for a troll of your abilities, that's pretty impressive. Chapeau!0
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coriordan wrote:Tell it to the kids. I wish you were one of the molested ones so you understand a bit of the empathy. How dare they want closure
you an the others are talking bolloxx, there is no closure, how can there be? he is dead, they should be glad, he can abuse no others and they can never forget, only try and reconfigure their lives as best they can.
As for any comparision with LA... thats sick and shows how little you actually know.0 -
Yes it is sick but just the same why did none of those who knew just as with la do anything about it, there can be no closure now as the perpetrator is gone, and with la there an be no closure as it is all done the races are run.
Its all very good being high and mighty now, but the horse has well and truly bolted in both cases0 -
Wrong it doesnt EFFING matter, just like jimmy saville everyone knew about it, but no one did any thing about it
Lookyhere - it wasn't me to made the comparison - someone else did - I just ran with it.
If all you can see is 'they were all on drugs anyway so it was a level playing field and plus the fact and its in the past' then it goes to show how little you know and there is no point furthering this discussion.0 -
NewTTEr - the horse hasn't bolted. Many of the accused (if you notice LA is just ONE of several people accused, just his PR machine twists it to look like a witch-hunt against him) are still highly influential in cycling. Notice how many people have announced their retirement in the last few days? People who are still big names in cycling have been linked to these individuals as well - Cancellara, Contador etc.
Not to mention the UCI's allegedly being complicit in it all as well.
How the hell can cycling move forward if the past is not admitted so at least the professional side of the sport can start moving forward?
I mean, have you READ some of the stupid comments some (mostly british) riders have been making? If people are only saying 'I didnt see anything, I didn't know anything' then people are STILL not willing to talk and the 'omerta' is still in force. By running this case in full and charging all the guilty parties then the omerta cannot exist.
Roche made a great quote the other day - I wonder if it will ever come true:Helping anti-doping is saying. 'Okay I doped. I got it from this doctor. These are the riders that I met in the waiting room. This is how it's done. These are the new products that are in the peloton that are not yet detectable. These are the products that we use to mask the ones that are detectable. This product does this, this product does that. This is how we beat the test.' That's helping anti-doping.0 -
Cannock Chase wrote:Take the biggest sport..... Football......
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=rivaldo%20fake%20injury&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMo4oUnpcmws&ei=-c57ULq0HdLa0QWa7YHIDg&usg=AFQjCNEmARjNWFcgHq8KlcTZiYH4mlqvCw0 -
Football is pretty bad, tennis is horrendous, golf just stuck the blinkers on and denies it0
