Mr Policeman undertaking....
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TRO's are put in place by the local authority, usually a Transportation Committee. These committees set things like speed limits, bus lanes (and their exemptions), parking restrictions such as double yellow lines etc. They cannot regulate things such as seat belt exemptions as these are set in law eg they cannot locally repeal the Road Traffic Act, or decide that it doesn't apply. It appears to me that the exemptions to wearing a set belt are set by Statutory Instrument therefore are the "law of the land" and also cannot be changed by a local authority.0
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I'd just be glad i wasn't hit, tut, maybe wave a middle finger and cycle on. Don't get this chasingmaftermcaramto have a word. Cunts will be cunts but better come up against a cunt who just misses you and go on with your commute. Or maybe that's just me.0
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steve6690 wrote:2 dickheads in the same place at the same time. The cyclist should have been in the bus/cycle lane...
No. He was turning right. He was in the correct lane.
Any lane changes (which would have saved anyone behind a mere 4 or 5 seconds to the lights - is that really inconsiderate??) would have posed an increased risk to the cyclist (potentially being wiped out by a Range Rover for a start), yet would have resulted in no real gain for anyone.
Safety is more important than saving 4 or 5 seconds in my opinion.0 -
steve6690 wrote:TRO's are put in place by the local authority, usually a Transportation Committee. These committees set things like speed limits, bus lanes (and their exemptions), parking restrictions such as double yellow lines etc. They cannot regulate things such as seat belt exemptions as these are set in law eg they cannot locally repeal the Road Traffic Act, or decide that it doesn't apply. It appears to me that the exemptions to wearing a set belt are set by Statutory Instrument therefore are the "law of the land" and also cannot be changed by a local authority.
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butcher of bakersfield wrote:steve6690 wrote:2 dickheads in the same place at the same time. The cyclist should have been in the bus/cycle lane...
No. He was turning right. He was in the correct lane.
Any lane changes (which would have saved anyone behind a mere 4 or 5 seconds to the lights - is that really inconsiderate??) would have posed an increased risk to the cyclist (potentially being wiped out by a Range Rover for a start), yet would have resulted in no real gain for anyone.
Safety is more important than saving 4 or 5 seconds in my opinion.
Not anytime soon he isn't. And appears to go straight over the next set of lights0 -
He was cycling south along Westminster Bridge Road, probably wanting to turn right at the junction of Kennington Road. A regular busy route for cyclist, because eventually when you get to the Oval it joins a Boris Cycle Superhighway.
I expect he decided to 'amend' his route to give Nasser Hussain a bit of lip.
Also I think the car was diplomatic or parliamentary protection. In the video the car that overtakes on the right is a grey range rover (regulary used for such uses, occasionally with a fed car behind it the passenger is high profile enough).
When Nasser is getting told off at the lights and pulls away the car in front looks to be the same.
Any copper I've ever spoken to will stand their ground an argue the toss even if their in the wrong. But as soon as the lights go and grey range rover drives, Nas takes off after it.Trek 1.1c (2012) - For commuting
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Meh.
Need 10 minutes of my life back after watching that video and reading this thread.Insta: ATEnduranceCoaching
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storm in a tea cup.
melodrama in a water bottle.
Victor Meldrew like whine.
What next? The price of bread goes up?
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Well maybe both in the wrong but the attitude of the guy is totally out of order. Im afraid I had a very high regard for the police years ago but from what ive learnt and seen over the last few years my opinon has changed somewhat. So many are corrupt and treat the law with total contempt for themselves its very hard to distinguise the good ones from the bad ones. There is a very high profile case going on at the moment to do with a certain murder in london and a lot of 5hit flying about at the moment over it and the person at the centre of it I know pesonally and you would think hes the nicest guy in thw world. you dig a bit deeper and its incredible what you find, no doubt it will come out in the next few months.
But anyway reporting the twat wont make any difference one big boys club im afraid. What with institutionalised rasicm and god knows what else cover ups i have no faith in the police any more. Shame as I was one of the biggest fans but now when i need to I sort things out myself.0 -
Not just me that is finding this thread a little dull and pointless then...0
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We have our fair share here too, I remember this from last year.
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Hmmmm.... these subjects do get people in a tizz. Some observations;
Dense & hazardous traffic? Where? Looked relatively quiet to me. Ok that doesn't matter either way.
The footage has been edited.
The cyclist spends a lot of time in the offside lane when he had lots of time to get into the bus lane - thats just bad cycling in my opinion.
The Police officer does appear to come by a bit close. Fair enough. However had that been Joe Smith in his work van the cyclist would have muttered under his breath and rode on. No Youtubing it....
It is an undertake but from what I saw the officer is in a specialist role (protection?) and needed to convoy the vehicle ahead. How importat is this? Neither you or I know. Had the cyclist moved over to the bus lane the officer would have come by correctly and there was indeed time for that to happen.
Helmet mounted cyclists seem to put themselves in positions that positively encourage confrontations, if they dont always happen - I bet this guy thought all his Christmases came at once.
The Police are always in the firing line, they're the guys we seem to leap on with clenched fists, something they have to endure and put up with; the posters who claim to be police officers are a disgrace to their own organisation and a disgrace for publicly coming down on a colleague when they clearly haven't considered everything. You guys must have seen things much worse in your careers and let them pass without action and yet you rant over what is a very minor traffic incident and then get into a "I know the law better than you" debate over points of law. Flipping heck guys get a grip - call yourself Police Officers?0 -
I dont think matey wouldnt be as brave if he didnt have a helmet cam which he couldnt wait to upload to the internet. Id of had a crossed word myself but not a an argument with a copper.Specialized FSR XC Comp
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Critch wrote:It is an undertake but from what I saw the officer is in a specialist role (protection?) and needed to convoy the vehicle ahead. How importat is this? Neither you or I know.
It's irrelevant how important this guy's job was. It is irrelevant because he could have undertaken (no pun intended) an almost identical manoeuvre quite safely. Instead he consciously chose to (what appears to be intentional) get as close to the cyclist as possible, despite having an empty lane to himself. There was no need to put anyone in any kind of danger.
Then, he berates the cyclist for riding to the letter of the law, and, you know, riding in the lane he needs to be in for his turning only a few seconds down the road.
And this is why it is important. Yes, it is a minor traffic offence*. One which the commuters among us are familiarised with on a daily basis. And it is the same argument which is used to justify each and every one: 'Well, you shouldn't be there, should you'.
Let's be honest here. The cyclist could have moved over, if he was feeling generous. But he was exactly where he should have been whilst approaching that junction. Yet people (and in this case a police officer!) feel it justified to bully and intimidate vulnerable road users because they dare to be as bold in sharing the same space on the road.
That is not OK.
*at least from a driver's perspective it's a minor traffic offence. It's something quite different and far more intimidating when you're on the receiving end0 -
philthy3 wrote:knownothingbozo wrote:I'm a police officer - please for the sake of all of us, report this muppet, his attitude sucks and he's an appalling example.
I'll second that. Muppets like him give the rest of us a bad name.
Tell you what, why don't you report him for giving the rest of you a bad name?0 -
Critch wrote:Hmmmm.... these subjects do get people in a tizz. Some observations;
Dense & hazardous traffic? Where? Looked relatively quiet to me. Ok that doesn't matter either way.
The footage has been edited.
The cyclist spends a lot of time in the offside lane when he had lots of time to get into the bus lane - thats just bad cycling in my opinion.
The Police officer does appear to come by a bit close. Fair enough. However had that been Joe Smith in his work van the cyclist would have muttered under his breath and rode on. No Youtubing it....
It is an undertake but from what I saw the officer is in a specialist role (protection?) and needed to convoy the vehicle ahead. How importat is this? Neither you or I know. Had the cyclist moved over to the bus lane the officer would have come by correctly and there was indeed time for that to happen.
Helmet mounted cyclists seem to put themselves in positions that positively encourage confrontations, if they dont always happen - I bet this guy thought all his Christmases came at once.
The Police are always in the firing line, they're the guys we seem to leap on with clenched fists, something they have to endure and put up with; the posters who claim to be police officers are a disgrace to their own organisation and a disgrace for publicly coming down on a colleague when they clearly haven't considered everything. You guys must have seen things much worse in your careers and let them pass without action and yet you rant over what is a very minor traffic incident and then get into a "I know the law better than you" debate over points of law. Flipping heck guys get a grip - call yourself Police Officers?
You're talking utter crap.
You don't know that driver is specialist protection unit and if he was, he should have kept a bit closer to his mark rather than need to carry out dangerous manoeuvres to keep up.
And as for your comment about police officers criticising one of their own - it makes a change for them not to close ranks.0 -
Critch wrote:Hmmmm.... these subjects do get people in a tizz. Some observations;
Dense & hazardous traffic? Where? Looked relatively quiet to me. Ok that doesn't matter either way.
The footage has been edited.
The cyclist spends a lot of time in the offside lane when he had lots of time to get into the bus lane - thats just bad cycling in my opinion.
The Police officer does appear to come by a bit close. Fair enough. However had that been Joe Smith in his work van the cyclist would have muttered under his breath and rode on. No Youtubing it....
It is an undertake but from what I saw the officer is in a specialist role (protection?) and needed to convoy the vehicle ahead. How importat is this? Neither you or I know. Had the cyclist moved over to the bus lane the officer would have come by correctly and there was indeed time for that to happen.
Helmet mounted cyclists seem to put themselves in positions that positively encourage confrontations, if they dont always happen - I bet this guy thought all his Christmases came at once.
The Police are always in the firing line, they're the guys we seem to leap on with clenched fists, something they have to endure and put up with; the posters who claim to be police officers are a disgrace to their own organisation and a disgrace for publicly coming down on a colleague when they clearly haven't considered everything. You guys must have seen things much worse in your careers and let them pass without action and yet you rant over what is a very minor traffic incident and then get into a "I know the law better than you" debate over points of law. Flipping heck guys get a grip - call yourself Police Officers?
I object to the word "disgrace". The fact that I can cast a completely unbiased eye over a fellow officers' actions shouldn't make me such. He didn't need to pass so close to the cyclist. Had the cyclist moved over to the bus lane, as one might expect, he'd have been mown down by the Range Rover as it undertook.
For reference, I am a police officer. I'm also a firearms officer, and I'm close protection trained (National VIP protection course). As such I can see exactly what is happening in this clip. I don't have any issue with the bobby needing to make some progress. If he had to undertake in the bus lane, he could have placed his vehicle further across to the nearside and given the cyclist as much room as possible. That's my only real issue...0 -
Totally agree - time and space thats the only real issue here.
A few more inches of space and a little more time before cutting back and it would have been fine. He could also have done it a little slower too, just in case.0 -
Indeed. Those darkies aint gonna harass themselves.Joeblack wrote:+1 these guys do a tough job in a tough city0
