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Hope/stans wheel set + added superstar Trizoid question

frankspencer1979frankspencer1979 Posts: 525
edited October 2012 in MTB buying advice
I'm considering a wheel upgrade and am thinking along the lines of the above set from the likes of CRC/Wiggle/Merlin etc'. I'm not a fatty or into big jumps and that so should be strong enough and lighter than my current set. Also want something worthy of being moved onto a new frame next year.

I've gotten myself confused now though as they are touted as tubeless rims. Can I just run them with tubes from standard as I can't be @rsed with the extra hassle at the moment or am I better off with an alternative? Does this type of build come ready to go onto the bike (aside from fitting discs and cassette?)

Also, at the same time, is it worth upgrading disc rotors from 160mm to 180mm? Does this increase stopping power or does it just help with heat dissipation?

Thanks for any advice :D

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  • supersonicsupersonic Posts: 82,708 Lives Here
    They can be run with tubes or tubeless: for the latter you need the valve kit and rim strip/tape. What is your current wheelset? (and cassette?)

    The rotors will increase stopping power for a given lever effort, and dissipate heat better.
  • They are not tubeless rims, but are tubeless ready with Stans<insert other> rim tape. Save money and get the superstar deal for £200! Yes you can put tubes in them. You can put tubes in anything really designed to take a regular tyre.

    Yes 180 will slow you more if put on the front. Not worth it on the back - stick to 160. The heat thing wont affect you unless you are going DH fast so dont worry about it.
  • As above. If you're after a set of Crest's you'd be crazy not to do the Superstar deal - will save yourself about £100 I should think. Swicth EVO's are very decent hubs too.

    http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=496

    I got a set (of the Flow's) and I don't even have a frame to put them on...yet :wink:
    "Why have that extra tooth if you're not using it?" - Brian Lopes

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  • Supersonic: My current set is WTB speed discs with WTB hubs and SRAM 10 spd cassette (exact model unknown as I'm at work at the moment,) just the standard stuff that came on the bike. I've serviced the hubs a couple of times recently to remove play, the cups are a bit discoloured and slightly rough, especially the front. I tried new bearings with no joy.

    70\'sPenguin: That's what I thought about the heat thing, not sure I ride hard enough for that, but if there's a general improvement in stopping power I might give it a go. I just need the relevant spacers for the caliper?

    And I would be mental not to go with Superstar wouldn't I!
  • Btw - I had to replace my rear 160mm rotor with a 180mm but I'm riding some very long, steep & gnarly descents so the rear rotor/brake was getting seriously over heated. Huge improvement now with 180 front and back and a switch from Deore to SLX brakes
    "Why have that extra tooth if you're not using it?" - Brian Lopes

    Votec V.SX Enduro 'Alpine Thug' 2012/2013 build

    Trek Session 8
  • I've been looking at Superstars options, it all gets pretty confusing. There's a wheelset deal offering the Trizoid hubs for £150, but one of the reviews says the rear hub is difficult to service, does anyone know owt about this?

    And has anyone got experience with the Tesla hubs?
  • It's a very easy hub to service (Trizoid).

    Whoever said it was hard to do is a retard.

    Superb hubs, can't recommend them enough.
  • It's a very easy hub to service (Trizoid).

    Whoever said it was hard to do is a retard.

    Superb hubs, can't recommend them enough.

    Ha, well that's that then eh! The reviewer mentioned something about £35 bearings and needing a special tool? Maybe he's a special tool. Think I might go for this set then, xc rims on trizoids, £150.
  • jairajjairaj Posts: 3,009
    I have the Switch Evo hubs which are a similar design. They are easy to service I've replaced bearings and changed a broken freehub and both were easy. Can take a little time at first but each step is easy enough.

    Bearings will eventually wear out and require replacing in any hub. Nothing lasts forever. The ones in my current
    Superstar hub have lasted 2 and a bit years before they needed replacing.

    Most hubs that use cartridge bearings need a bearing press tool to insert new bearings in. Old ones can just be knocked out, doesn't matter if they get damaged as they are being replaced.

    Any hub you buy will require these steps so you can't count it as a disadvantage to this particular hub.
  • It's a very easy hub to service (Trizoid).

    Whoever said it was hard to do is a retard.

    Superb hubs, can't recommend them enough.

    Ha, well that's that then eh! The reviewer mentioned something about £35 bearings and needing a special tool? Maybe he's a special tool. Think I might go for this set then, xc rims on trizoids, £150.

    He is clearly a proper window licker.

    You CAN spend £35 on bearings if you wish, but there is certainly no need to do so. They're just standard cartridge bearings, can be picked up for not much money at all. The bearings they provide as standard can be a bit....... meh, but they are a disposable item.

    I've never needed any special tools to service mine (apart from a couple of spanners to remove the end caps on the X12 hub). They're some of the easiest hubs I've ever dealt with, next to DT swiss, which require nothing but your own hands.
  • The very first Superleggera hubs (which became trizoid on Mk3) needed a tool to remove the drivering. We do this free of charge in the workshop if needed, but anything hub bought in the last 18 months and onwards needs no special tools at all to work on.

    Tesla is our new high end hub. Biggest feature is super expensive SKF bearings as standard, plus a bombproof 60 points of engagement which will stand up to anything you throw at it. Sort of sits in the same product level as the Trizoids but from a different angle.

    Any questions just let me know, Neil (Superstar)
  • Cheers superstar man. So this wheelset

    http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk/product_ ... cts_id=227

    is the older hub that needs the special tool?
  • Ordered mine, came quick, fitted today along with new rear derailleur. Look great, sounds great (love the fee hub noise) and most importantly - feel great. You won't be disappointed. Oh , and of course, free Haribo :^)
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  • white91white91 Posts: 431
    I'm pretty sure 160mm rotor is enough for most, except the DH and alps.
  • mrmonkfingermrmonkfinger Posts: 1,452
    Cheers superstar man. So this wheelset

    http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk/product_ ... cts_id=227

    is the older hub that needs the special tool?

    but anything hub bought in the last 18 months and onwards needs no special tools at all to work on.
  • mrmonkfingermrmonkfinger Posts: 1,452
    You CAN spend £35 on bearings if you wish, but there is certainly no need to do so. They're just standard cartridge bearings, can be picked up for not much money at all. The bearings they provide as standard can be a bit....... meh, but they are a disposable item.

    Out of interest, where are you getting bearings from?
  • I know I've had some off simplybearings.co.uk before. And one of the shops on ebay, can't remember who though off the top of my head though.
  • mrmonkfingermrmonkfinger Posts: 1,452
    I know I've had some off simplybearings.co.uk before. And one of the shops on ebay, can't remember who though off the top of my head though.

    KaTeC?
  • BamsBams Posts: 6
    I've had a couple of sets for my Switch hubs off these guys http://stores.ebay.co.uk/ptandbearings. Its about time to change them again as the backs getting a bit wobbly, I think it's been about 18mts since i had the last lot.
  • jairajjairaj Posts: 3,009
    For lose bearings I just buy from who ever is cheapest with the correct grade.

    I'm trying the "own" branded cartridge bearings from simply bearings. I think they were almost 1/3 the price of the SKF ones and had the same amount of marketing buff. Hopefully they're not utter censored . The previous unknown bearings in my Superstar hubs lasted 2 years so if these last half as long I'll still be happy.
  • stubsstubs Posts: 5,001
    Cleaned and regreased the pawls on my trizoid and it takes about 20 mins to do the job if your like me and clean things cleaner than an operating theatre. Didnt really need to swap the wheel bearings but the brake side bearing didnt feel quite as smooth as I would like so knocked out both bearings and replaced them with some new ones I had in my spares box. Total time to do whole job about an hour and the only special tool was me.
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  • Paul_iowPaul_iow Posts: 110
    If you are quick you can get yourself a set of stans arch rims and Evo switch hubs for £165! Just got myself a set :D
  • Cheers superstar man. So this wheelset

    http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk/product_ ... cts_id=227

    is the older hub that needs the special tool?

    Well I went for this set in the end, arrived today. Everything seems ok, but I not been for a decent ride yet, that'll be tomorrow. Tyres gone on nice and easy, and everything runs true. I can't see how the hubs come apart for servicing at this stage, there's no place to put cone spanners at least anyway. I'll deal with that issue as and when. They don't half sound weird,not too loud but.... weird!

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  • stubsstubs Posts: 5,001
    The clue is the allen key in the drive side of the axle. Shove an allen key in the hole (cant remember sizes) undo and everything comes apart easily. They really are easy to strip down once you have end cap off the freehub just pulls off but be careful or the pawls and springs will disappear to the corners of your work area.
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  • Cheers fella, i can see the allen key fitment now!
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